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For about 9 years there has been a large houseboat parked near Southeast Pass in Pas a Loutre out of Venice. It started as a houseboat, and a few surface drives. Each year the operation grew larger. Now it affixed to the actual land only a few hundred yards from the WMA. It has a helicopter that drops off and picks up a bunch of camo clad goons, multiple excavators ( I have no clue what these things are doing), upwards of 10 surface drives, metal boat sheds, etc. I had heard rumors that this was owned by the owner of Silver Slipper Casino, and is used to fly out fat cat high rollers from the casino to Pas A Loutre and put them on guided duck hunts in the WMA.

I am wondering if anyone can confirm this, or if that's just the urban legend.

Obviously guided hunts are illegal on public WMA. It would be doubly sacrilegious if a Mississippi entity was profiting by raping a public Louisiana WMA. If this is actually the Silver Slipper Casino, then my guess is that no money is directly crossing hands for the guide service, and it is offered as a kickback for spending a bunch of money at the craps table. Either way, it seems that something is rotten in Denmark. It also would seem that one of our fine state politicians would have to have been greased in order to allow this to happen.

The result of this compound down there is essentially the decline of hunting in Pas a Loutre. You can go look at that aerial surveys and the decline in population correlates with this compound showing up. It essentially allows 24/7 pressure on the birds with a cavalry of surface drives running in and out of every pond on the WMA looking for birds to put their customers on, and it also is almost impossible for the guy in a bay boat leaving from Vtown in the morning to compete with the batallion of 'hunters' who are waking up in Southeast pass.

Does anybody have any solid intel on this establishment? Am I way off-base? Can anyone with money just go do this on any of the state's public WMA's?

January 24 at 7:49pm

Valid point Choup. While I do think it's a slippery slope, that is how WLF would be forced to look at it if there is no money transferring for the purpose of duck guiding.

February 05 at 11:35am

Well. The libertarian in me says that if these guys are just rich guys and they are confining themselves to the private property which they legally purchased, then good for them. BUT any of us who have hunted down there a lot know that these guys are hunting the wma too. That means they are guiding on the WMA. So I put this on the State WLF agents. They should be on those guys like white on rice, just by the very proximity of their operation to the WMA. And it doesn't seem like they are paying attention to these people to make sure they keep their as*es off of the WMA.

State WLF down there needs to put pressure on these guys and everything will be fine. You know for a fact that if these guys were anywhere near Delta NWR, the fed agents would be so far up their as*es that they would be afraid to leave the houseboat.

January 30 at 1:01pm

1. If Southeast pass is part of the WMA, then it is in Southeast Pass, so yes. If Southeast pass is not considered Pas A Loutre, then its about 400 yards off of the boundary.

2.A houseboat is one thing. This is a whole other story. This is a 100 foot houseboat. A 100 foot wooden dock. a 130 foot metal barge. Multiple metal boat sheds. A helicopter for bringing clients in and out. at any time during duck season there will be 15 boats tied up here.

3. If this is the casino bringing high rollers here in exchange for gambling, then I see no difference between that and compensated guiding.

This type of thing is so obviously detrimental to a wma. It just boggles my mind that it is allowed by wlf.

January 25 at 10:56am

I think I'm in. Perhaps it's time for a mission statement.

It's a little concerning that it seems the discussion has changed from wanting to deal with the situation north of us, to wanting to rehabilitate our own habitat, much of which needs no such rehabilitation. If 50,000 gadwalls are playing patty cake in a Missouri refuge throughout the winter, it wont matter how much wigeon grass is in your pond. And on that note, I know the area I hunt (which is vast) has incredible habitat. The subaquatic veg is so thick you can hardly paddle, and yet, each year there are less birds, and each year is colder than the last.

So I am glad you talked with Larry, but hopefully we can still keep the ag practices north of us in mind with this organization.

January 24 at 8:21pm

'Oh and I'm really not worried if you praise or not'.. don't lie to yourself.

'late season coots that you can't touch'.. I've not experienced this. The area I hunt, they are always there for the taking. But unless I want gizzards and livers for a pot of dirty rice, I don't mess with them.

January 04 at 10:07am

Alspanky:
Let us recall that this thread's entire purpose surrounds the debate between whether or not Surface Drives have negative effects on sitting duck populations.

You posted a photo of 4 of what are quite possibly the most retarded ducks in the Mississippi flyway, and suggested that killing said ducks was evidence that surface drives don't move birds.

I am simply calling you out for that misstep. Post that photo anywhere else and I will give it praise because I love canvasbacks. But in here, no, it doesn't support your argument. Sorry, try again.

January 03 at 1:42pm

Alspanky:
Not that a photograph of a mallard limit hanging on a gator tail would by any means qualify as some form of evidence towards your point, I definitely don't think that when 4 of your 6 ducks have survival instincts which barely rival that of a coot, that there is any point to be made for your cause. Not to mention that if you have 4 cans, that means you prob had 4 hunters,, with 8 or so ducks, that's really not an indicator of a world class gator tail hunting experience.

Additionally it looks like you're in the timber and I have no real problem with SD's in timber. Its the hundreds of SD's riding around in 3 inches of delta wetlands, chopping wigeon grass as they go pond to pond running around to 'scout' that people are more concerned about.

January 03 at 12:42pm

89 I could show you plenty of nice bombsites in B.B. that could be great for like, maybe a World War 1 trench warfare/ No Man’s Land re-enactment if that’s your thing.

December 26, 2017 at 4:51pm

Mr. Mandevillian, the only areas not thus far affected by restoration bombsites in B.B. are the ponds north of Goose point, and the ponds between lake road and the Boy Scout road paddle in (although there is one very large bomb site there by the lake that caused some very nice ponds to fill in. Everything east of the pipeline is essentially destroyed unless you’re a wild hog. The few remaining ponds over there will be silted in probably by next year. The old fritchie marsh is still there but I believe there are plans to turn that into a pig pen as well. And if yoi are wondering why your bread and butter grey ducks aren’t around this year, it’s because they have 75% less open water to stage in, so they are flying east and south toward Biloxi Marsh and Sauvage. But hey atleast there is going to be a great feral pig habitat.

December 26, 2017 at 11:50am

PocketLab there is plenty passion for coastal erosion in Southeast La. They have ruined the entire Big Branch NWR with their bomb sites (restoration zones) from goose point all the way to bayou bonfouca. Areas that consistently held thousands of grey ducks have now been turned into humongous pig pens. One less place for wintering waterfowl to hangout down here, not to mention all the other aquatic and bird life that Big Branch hosted.

December 26, 2017 at 9:37am

I think I much preferred this thread when we were all using straw man fallacies to support our own biased theories.

One area I like to harp on during these discussions is pas a loutre wma. Maybe even more specifically the southeast pass/ jackass bayou area. For the past 8 or so years there has been a large houseboat that parks there with 10-15 SD’s, and even a helicopter. This may be offensive, but you really used to never see really morbidly obese people down there duck hunting. It was just too difficult and dangerous. Not the case anymore as any fat cat w a checkbook can get invited on to that houseboat and take a ride in a SD into jackass bay and shoot a few birds. The number of birds other than divers ( I’m actually convinced that divers are less effected by the SD’s due perhaps to lesser survival instincts) has IMO reduced greatly in Pas A Loutre concurrently with the appearance of said houseboat. Compare Pas A Loutre’s bird count with that of Delta NWR just a few miles up the river and you can likely conclude that something is markedly different between the two, even given the terrain and food similarities, and of course the proximity. I think that’s a fair and honest comparison, not cherry picking totally different areas and comparing them. And to be clear, this is not an argument that ‘out of shape’ people are screwing up duck hunting,,,that’s a microcosm for the fact that SD’s have enticed people who would otherwise not be inclined to duck hunt,,,, to duck hunt. And maybe these people are loud and clumsy as sh** while they do it.

December 22, 2017 at 10:07pm

Alspanky, no.

December 21, 2017 at 10:30am

Knockemdown has laid out an incredibly intriguing argument. I don't see how anyone could stand to disagree with his methods of deduction.
LSUHunter knows the worst 3 duck hunters in Big Branch, and they aren't killing birds.
Toby65 knows one spot where cars and motorcycles drive by.

I'd say that about settles it. Surface drives are not problematic. The owner of Biloxi Marsh got it wrong. Satellite imagery of areas where surface drives are abundant are conjectural at best. Case closed.

December 21, 2017 at 9:52am
A comment titled: Re: Sherburne WMA Duck madness in response to a report titled: Sherburne WMA Duck madness

'Hey everyone go hunt the ducks I scouted! I want to make sure there's none left when I get to go back'

December 21, 2017 at 9:31am
A comment titled: Re: Disbelief in response to a report titled: Disbelief

It boggles my mind every year on here, that public land duck hunters think they can claim a pond by building a blind on it. Lets just run through this scenario, ok... I wake up at 3 am, enter the refuge at the earliest allowable time. I reach a pond that I know to hold birds before anyone else, BUT WAIT, somebody built a blind in the pond. But that person isn't even here. How do I know that person is coming? Am I supposed to just assume this phantom is going to show up and thus I now have to go to my backup plan where I may be putting myself in a less advantageous position to kill birds? Furthermore, lets say this blind builder is going to show up... Does building a blind on public land give him the right to cruise in later than everyone else and expect that 'his' pond will be left untouched? Hell, why don't we start planting flags with our family crest down in the ponds we like the weekend before the season opens. Bottom line, you want to build a blind on public land, fine, but you still have to wake up at the crack and get in your pond like everyone else. I really don't see how your argument is remotely defensible.

December 21, 2017 at 9:27am
A comment titled: Re: Opening morning in response to a report titled: Opening morning

I wasn't thinking about the fact that you are in a surface drive which you cannot take on to the Delta. Pasaloutre seems to have held more birds in the second split these last few years; which makes not much sense to me seeing as the Delta is covered up with ducks. I would imagine that big fancy houseboat with the 12 gatortrax', 2 bay boats and a helicopter that is parked over on southeast pass does not help the situation for Pas a Loutre.

November 16, 2016 at 3:36pm
A comment titled: Re: Opening morning in response to a report titled: Opening morning

If by passaloo you mean pas a loutre, then there is no reason to sit around in your boat blind in one spot if you aren't seeing birds. I know of 2 separate groups of public land duck hunters that killed 3 man limits each day less than 10 miles from where you were. Pick up, run around, find birds and hunt them. Thats what you do in Venice. I hope you didn't sit it out unless birds showed up.

November 13, 2016 at 4:32pm
A comment titled: Re: Stop Complaining in response to a report titled: Stop Complaining

'The big ducks are not down here yet because there has not been enough cold weather to push them down. If you have hunted as much as you claim you would know this as well, we hunt in a warm climate'

Inthefield your argument does not make much sense. You first state that the big ducks 'aren't down here yet'. You then go on to concede that grey ducks come down with the teal (Grey ducks are big ducks). Then you go on to suggest that all the original poster could hope to kill right now is teal, when the original poster clearly stated he was killing grey ducks. Inthefield I think you are completely unaware of the hunting situation that we have in Southeast Louisiana. I will sum it up for you. We get ducks very early in November. We do not rely on cold weather, and where I hunt near Slidell, we have much better hunts on east and south winds than on North Winds.

So in conclusion, we are killing big ducks and lots of them. I understand that other areas of the state have different migration patterns, but your argument is completely invalid concerning Southeast, Louisiana. There are a number of other comments in this thread that are not based on any type of argumentative logic, so I don't know why those people made comments either.

November 18, 2015 at 4:03pm
A comment titled: Re: Duck ID help! in response to a report titled: Duck ID help!

Wow. Just Wow.

November 18, 2015 at 3:52pm
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