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Still unbelievable

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Also its pretty sad that all of the people with so called leases can stop you from fishing in certain areas, which they certainly can, they own the fish to i guess. Also it gets really old seeing all the guide reports on these post showing how they 'smoke' the fish day in and day out!!! Its hard to belive a fishery can sustain itself with coastal land lost and fishing pressure day in an out. Which in my opinion fishing is not nearly as good as it once was but of course our biologist will say it is kinda like there are more ducks now than ever.....thats is the biggest line of crap i ever heard. Getting back to 'breasting' ducks, all of the tv shows and now la sportsman is promoting this wastefulness.maybe im just old school and was thought to do it the right way. If you take a life of game then utilize everything on that animal, i understand everybody wont eat the heart and gizzards like we do but really just ' breasting' is wasting all the back meat and legs which in my opinion is the best part of a duck. I know many may not agree but i just needed to vent a little!!! Lol, good luck and stay safe
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Re: Still unbelievable
It's definitely more cool to see fish and game taken on public water/land which is the only way I do it myself, so everybody has a fair chance at the same game that I take. Nothing wrong with a lease though imo, and I enjoy all reports but especially those that include some valuable information to help others; but it isn't always the same ballpark of a challenge, though of course there are always exceptions. However, the fishing and hunting I did in expensive leases as a kid...made me want to quit going because it was like taking candy from a baby, lol. So when I got old enough to go by myself I opted for the real harder experiences and they've been much more rewarding to me.

You are correct those back legs are the best part!
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'Mass Stupity and Goverment Hype'
...it's a IQ measure of people that don't understand,it could be called a 'Cartel of Canards'...cheers
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Re: Still unbelievable
I understand where you are coming from. As a middle class hunter I depend mostly on public land to hunt and fish. I think that due to hunting becoming mainstream more people are hunting and that has driven up the cost of everything. The pro is that we have more people spending money on licences and what nOt, more getting involved in programs, and more support against the lefties trying to ban hunting and promote hugging trees. The con of course is every Jack ass with expendable income thinks they're Phil Robertson just because they can buy the toys. I personally don't kill what I don't eat (except snakes and beavers) and don't breast a duck unless it's shot to pieces. I have dealt with People setting up in the decoys destroying the land or trespassing. I guess more enforcement and education is called for. Hope it gets better in the coming years. P.s. I do think surface drives have there place but I'm certainly no stranger to wading and pulling a sack of decoys.
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Re: Still unbelievable
Yep, the average citizen has been effectively stopped from fishing, hunting, traveling the marsh... except for a few WMA areas the state has. Louisiana is the only state that has done this. The coastal region is not like terra firma land that folks own. The marsh has water going around, over, and through it. What we have here today is not unlike Europe. For centuries, the rich and powerful laid claim to the land, and others were treated harshly if trying to hunt or fish there. Large corporations have bought up the marsh.... La. Land and Exploration, Continental Fur, Delacroix Land, most all the oil companies. Everything now is for these folks and their well heeled buddies and politicians. They have the law concerning tidal waters where they want it here.... but I dislike using massive amounts of the public funds to save THEIR wetlands. Let them save their own paradise.
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They got $$$
I agree, they should pay. When new land is formed with our tax money the big owners will send out their crews to put up new posted signs. It's a shame that the locals, who once owned all the marsh, thought they were 'screwing' the large oil and other companies by selling to them for a buck an acre(with minerals)!! Good luck!
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Re: left wing thinking
Wow its that kind of left wing thinking that has this world messed up. They have more than me lets make it even. You may have a bigger yard than me with a BBQ pit and plenty of room for a party. Does it give me the right to use it??? No it doesnt. Last time I check land was bought not Stole. Dont get me wrong I dont own alot of land but the House I live in and would love to have more. I am a American and love the idea that life is what you make it, thats whats great about this Courty. Just my opinion which might get taken away one day becuase of Left wing thinking.
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Re: Still unbelievable
The difference is public funds aren't being used to maintain/restore my back yard. The land that your tax dollars maintain are open for you to have a party.

I wouldn't call it left wing. If anything it's fiscally conservative. Eroding marsh needs to be saved but not at the expense of the public's tax dollars.

The correct thing to do would be to resurvey the property and adjust the property taxes accordingly. Tidal water needs to be part of the public trust.
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Re: Still unbelievable
A duck, crab, shrimp, redfish, etc does not know whether it is on private or public land. Most land in Louisiana is in fact private. When these marshes erode away whether they are public or private they affect all of us. Therefore it makes sense to try and restore all coastal properties including private.
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Re: Still unbelievable
Duck, crab, shrimp, or redfish do not know private from public waters. You are correct again, most of the coastal marsh in this state is privately owned. People are trying to equate owning regular land versus tidal lands. This country follows an old English law, called Public Trust. The waterways were always critically important for everyone to have access to, and in Europe, the well heeled took possession of everything, including rivers marshes. The law of Public Trust states that tidal waters will always be held for the Public, no matter who buys and owns these tidal waters. The only weak part about this, is the Supreme Court has left it up to each state on how they will interpret some if the things defined.... and has said they will not hear a case concerning a state. ALL the other states pretty much all interpret things the same, except for Louisiana, where money, bribes, and influence rule in our legislature. All tidal marsh lands are supposed to be held in public... but not in this state. So, if the well heeled want to keep everything in the tidal areas for themselves, then they need to poney up to save their disappearing wetlands. You don't want me there, then you sure do not want my money there either.
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Obama would be proud
Just because someone has more they should be forced to share and or give it up to the goverment is textbook liberal/communist thinking. In case some people can't figure out why public funds are used to restore or maintain private tidal marshlands is very simple. HURRICANES!!!!!!
Hurricanes effect every single person in our region in one way or another. Its a matter of public safety. This private property protects all your property!!!!
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Re: Still unbelievable
I've lived and fished in a lot of states in my 76 years! But Louisiana is the only one that a landowner can control tidal waters!! any other places you can fish any water that is tidal! I guess how you feel about this Rule is controlled by if you own land or not !!LOL
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Yep, we gotta spend billions on your marsh and all the others for 'hurricanes'. Like I said, spend your money on your marsh.........
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Start a movement to shutdown the restoration projects if thats the way you feel. I'm sure you can find a few more morons that feel the way you do. I doubt very many though
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Re: Still unbelievable
'Start a movement to shutdown the restoration projects if thats the way you feel. I'm sure you can find a few more morons that feel the way you do. I doubt very many though'

Never underestimate the morons that post here, flatboat!
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'Hitt'em in'da Money Bags'
...if hunting/fishing licences were boycotted for one year their budget would be depleted and the game the following year would be over abundant... (of course some disorganized pilgrims can't handle'dat)...cheer/cheers
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Re: Still unbelievable
**I'm sure you can find a few more morons that feel the way you do.**

Takes one to know one..............
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'Laugh'n Is Best Medicine'
...'ya guy's got me laugh'n my azz off...best humor we had in a while !!!...(beats M.D.'s overdosing people w/ R/X's and their side-effects)...cheers
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Re: Still unbelievable
Glad we could help!! LOL
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Democrat Governor
Big Oil tore the marsh up and they should fix it!! Not the taxpayers. A good 'democrat govna' to replace Jindal will see to it!!!
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Re: Still unbelievable
I agree with u biofish and others!!! if tax money is being used to restore private land, the property taxes on private land should be increased a lot more, no doubt just common sense!!!! I got a bad feeling, I will be called a moran by certain people!!! let me take a wild guess, private land owners???? that's ok with me if its ok with u other guys??? isn't it funny that the private land owners disagree with paying more tax for the benefits they receive, like keeping their land in one piece??????
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Re: Still unbelievable
Most land in Louisiana is wait for it, wait for it, ....................PRIVATE! If you truly want to restore the coast in Louisiana you are going to HAVE to restore private lands. If you only resotre public lands, you are wasting your time because its a small fraction of the land.

Hurricanes and erosion doesn't discriminate against public or private land
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I agree with you bayouwild!!! but if public tax money is used to save private land, they should pay more property tax no doubt in the world!!!! of course they will disagree!!!!
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Re: Still unbelievable
Give whats mine to the goverment,share whats mine with everyone so we're equal,provide everyone else with info of where they can be, and pay more taxes than everyone else. You're a good lil liberal aren't you Beast.
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Re: Still unbelievable
As a land owner I pay taxes and maintain my property as my own cause it is my own. Just because the water floods it, backs up into it etc, doesn't give one the right to trespass. Folks can cry all they want but its mine I bought it fair and square. If the other states have laws you prefer then hey its America you have the right to move.
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Tidal waters.... Louisiana interprets the law different from any of the other 49 states, and we all know why. Now, if they want to restore the marshland that we cannot fish because it's private...fine. But let the marsh owners restore it with their money... only fair. When it's all open water, they can grovel in their greed.
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And when insurance is unavailable throughout half the state and publice infastructure,and our private citizens are in danger everytime the wind blows maybe some morons may change there minds. If you want access go buy it if not you can get over it!!!
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Re: Still unbelievable
If you want to save it, then you pay for it. If you think the only way to keep the flood waters out is by saving private marsh then you are sadly mistaken. Just ask the people in the Netherlands. Nobody is giving me money to save my property that's falling into the Amite river, why should I have to give money to save yours?
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Re: Still unbelievable
The reason your property isn't being stopped from falling into the river is because it has no effect on millions of people and billions of dollars in property in the state genious!!! If you think building a wall around the coast would be more cost efficient than coastal restoration your clueless
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Re: Still unbelievable
The Feds went with Levees... so we will stay with levees. The landowners got their cut for letting the oil and gas industry come in and tear the marsh up drilling for oil and gas... and they want the public out of the marshes.... so there you have it, pay for YOUR marsh restoration. You can use the storm excuse all you want.... it's going, going, gone.
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Flatboat
[quote] The reason your property isn't being stopped from falling into the river is because it has no effect on millions of people and billions of dollars in property in the state genious!!! If you think building a wall around the coast would be more cost efficient than coastal restoration your clueless [/quote]

It's Genius not 'genious' and You're not 'your.' I understand you are an owner but at the very least use spell check if you want to have a debate.

Also there is no hierarchy of land ownership. If you're going to spend tax dollars to save one persons property you have to save everyone's.

I don't think anyone cares about people owning marsh land. Key word there being 'land.' It's the water that's the issue. I'm sorry your land eroded away but that's not my problem and I'm not paying to have it fixed. Tidal water needs to be part of the public trust and this is the reason why.

Look at what's happening in the biloxi marsh. The whole thing is a circus. A private owners is forcing the state to add new regulations on surface drive motors. What happens to Delacroix if the land corp decides to shut down all access? As of right now literally 100's of boats per day are trespassing and the only reason some businesses exist is because of the lack of enforcement by a land owner.
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Re: Still unbelievable
Man WOW you found a misspelled word and a incorrect word usage mistake in one comment!!!You must be excited to find such a screw up. I hope it was the highlight of your day!! Congrats!!!
As far a a debate there is nothing to debate. Coastal restoration has to be done and will be done. As a matter of fact it is being done right now as I type on both private and state owned property.
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Re: Still unbelievable
The way I see it is if your property sunk and flooded over with tidal water, as long as I don't get out of my boat I'm not on your land.

This is not pointed at anyone specific, just calling bull on this whole tidal water trespassing crap.
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Thats not the way the court sees it.
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no FLATBOAT, i'm not a liberal for sure!! a liberal wants something for nothing, sounds familiar to you???? it sure should!!!! you use American dollars or rubles for currency????
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Re: Still unbelievable
I asked for nothing!!! You're the one who feels that you are entitled to what is mine. If you want something in this world you must pay for it I will not give you whats mine.
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Re: Still unbelievable
The biggest issue I see with this whole debate is people essentially acting like they own water. The water that they are acting like they own comes from the gulf.

Water and fish don't recognize imaginary boundaries (nor does the tide). I would never step foot on anyone elses land (assuming it was posted, or obviously private land), but I do not hesitate to fish any water that I can reach from a public launch.

What if everyone in the country felt like they owned the water in front of their property? There wouldn't be a lake, river, or stream to fish without trespassing. My family owns a place on Table Rock Lake in MO. They do not run off everyone who fishes the bank in front of their home because they understand that they own the LAND and ONLY the land.. When the water level rises, sometimes part of their land is now underwater.. does that give them the right to call the law on anyone who pitches a jig into that water?

Their dock sticks out from the shore about 40 feet. Do they have the right to have someone arrested for casting around/under their dock?

People need to wake up, and understand that there is a difference between land and water. How would these proponents of water ownership feel if Delacroix got shut down tomorrow?
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Re: Still unbelievable
Learningtofish, you are comparing apples to aranges with tidal waters in Louisiana vs Table Rock Lake, etc.

If you think you can just fish anywhere you can get to from a public launch, you are in for a rude awakening in south Louisiana
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oh oh, flatboat!! you're last comment is starting to sound a little hypocritical!!!!!! watch what u say!!!
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