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Words of advice to Venice duck hunters. Myself and my friends were hunting this weekend in Venice. We did not know we were on private property. We were confronted by the landowner and the Sheriff was called. We were given trespassing tickets and warned that Wildlife and Fisheries could have been called about poaching violations. Make sure you are on public property when hunting in Venice. It was a very costly mistake.
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duckhunter?
the guy could have just gave ya'll a warning!! I guess he's a scrooge!! I guess unless he has lots of people trespassing and is fed up??? he needs to put up more signs? ya'll didn't see any signs?
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This post is only intended for those with a sense of humor.
It’s the hunter’s responsibility to know where he/she is at all times. “I didn’t know that is was private” or “I thought this was public” isn’t an excuse anymore since posted signs are no longer required. I happen to be lucky enough to have private land that lies between a public road and waterway and public land. The private land is clearly marked, they still trespassed, and some even poached. I informed them that they were trespassing, and they still came. I pulled the plugs from their surface drive rigs, and pissed in their Yeti’s, and yet, they still trespassed. Finally, waited for them to have a good hunt in one of my blinds. While they were picking up their decoys, I planted 32 dogris in their truck, I called the Sherriff and Wildlife with a tip about poachers shooting over the limit. Now, they have lost their hunting privileges till 2017 and had to pay thousands of dollars in fines.
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noose?
that's what I said mark private land law r no law! if its marked clearly most people wont go on it! of course you always have those people that just don't care!!! bust them!! but the people that just don't know they are on private land, because it is not clearly marked, give them a break!!!its really hard to tell where u at sometimes! just tell them and if u see them again bust them! don't bust a man for making an innocent mistake, because nothing is clearly marked, like your land is clearly marked, be nice he didn't mean it!!! so you planted 32 dogris in their truck, so who do u think should have been burnt them r u?? u worst than them absolutely!!! hope ldwf is monitoring this site!!!
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Beast
For once I agree with Beast! It must be the holidays. Noose--you are an idiot for admitting on the internet that you planted 32 Dosgris in their boat.

as for Venice--yes it is difficult to see where private land begins and public land ends. The maps provided by WLF are not very detailed, so a private land owner needs to post his land.
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Not the issue
The dogris weren't the real crime, the trespassing was, along with all of their Duck Dynasty gear. They also found a dead hooker and some blow in their Yeti. Either way, they won't be trespassing anytime soon.
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noose?
THANKS MOTORBOAT merry Christmas to you too! noose the dogris are the real crime! how did you get 32 dogris in your possession, without shooting over the limit?
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bill
I agree with you on that, but give the guy a chance in case he doesn't realize he is on private land. anybody can make a mistake! don't burn him the first time, if he comes back again, then its not an honest mistake, burn him you gave him a chance! landowners should put signs law r not, they would have a lot less trouble!
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beast
In nooses paragraph it does say that he gave them a warning and confronted them that they were on private property and they came back again so there for they deserved it.
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It is still against the law...
If you don't like the law against trespassing, then you can protest with the other criminals.
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bill!
yes you are right bill! noose did say he gave them a warning and they came back! he was right calling the sheriff! giving a warning the first time was very nice! I was referring to the guy in venice that busted duckhunter without giving him a warning first!!! but noose shouldn't have put 32 dogris in the mans truck and called ldwf and got them busted for that, he was wrong for doing that!! trespassing after noose gave them a warning, yes absolutely!!
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beast
ahhhh alright I understand now about the warning thing and yea your right that was kind of over the top to put 32 bluebills/dogris in there truck but I bet they learned there lesson.
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bill
yes I bet they did learn a very hard lesson, just shouldnt have been that hard of a lesson!! happy new years!!
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beast
Happy new years to you to.
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Noose
I must admit I do not believe Noose but I did some digging anyway just in case he really is as big of a scum bag as he claims.

You should really be more careful before you go admitting to planting evidence

Mr Tony Nuccio, I hope think twice before planting birds on someone.

Here is his Professional Linkedin profile https://www.linkedin.com/pub/tony-nuccio/74/a55/1aa

A copy of this text will be sent to WLF along with your full name, current address and phone number. I won't sent it to your employer but maybe someone here would like to so.
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I call BS on noose
This is funny. Pissed in their yetties and pulled the plugs out of their boats! lol wow, so much bs there. I want pictures of it, also, if you don't mind post a pic of the 32 scaup you planted in their trucks... idiot.
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annon
I absolutely agree with what you say you are going to do!! if he did what he said and I doubt it, he deserves it big time!!! he pulled the plugs in their surface drives, peed in there yetties, and planted 32 dogris in their truck, don't think so!!! think its just big talk!!! do what u think u gotta do, 100% behind you!!! if he would have tried that, he would have never been able to post the comment he posted, if u know what I mean!!! but you never know, do it, good luck!!! please let us know what happens!!! if noose was smart he would comment its all bs what he said???? sure he mite be a little nervous rite now, I would be!!
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Fed UP!!!
There were multiple citations issued for tresspassing recently in Venice. Land owners and lease owners are fed up with BS. The public property in the area consist of the federal refuge and Pass A Loutre wma!!! Land owners are in the process of hiring off duty sheriffs officers to patrol. Consider yourselves warned
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Take that down Annon
Noose is just kidding no need to do personal crap like you just did Annon. You should delete that post about his personal info. You guys are too gullible. Hard to believe that the word 'gullible' is not in the dictionary either
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I agree with slickhead
Take all his personal info off this. If you don't like what he did then don't read the comment and stay to yourself.
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Venice
The amount of people coming to Venice is ridiculous. Something has to be done, too many hunts are being disrupted by hunters being where where they should not be. U can run them off today and there will be more tomorrow. I am happy this is happening, they will be out patrolling again this weekend.
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^^^These guys got it!^^^
Thanks for the profile views, Shannon! I'll be number one in my network with all of this attention! Add me as connection. And always remember, if someone writes it on a chat forum on the internet, then that means it's true...

PS: If I was a Wildlife agent and I was given the complaint of someone admitting to planting this kind of evidence, the first thing that I would do would be to check the records to see if anyone was recently busted with 32 dogris (that would probably make the news, or at least the LA Sportsman headlines). Then when I realized that this was nonsense, I would view his LinkedIn profile and give him an endorsement for storytelling.
PPS: Don't let the media (and places like this) control your thoughts.
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slickhead
gullible(also gullable)found in merriam Webster dictionary
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gullible
gullible (adjective)- someone who is naive enough to actually look in the dictionary when someone says gullible is not in the dicitonary haha
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Haha!
I looked for gullible, too. You got me!
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fowlfish and flatboat green!
do yall have signs saying this is private land no trespassing? all i'm saying is if landowners would put signs there mite be a lot less trespassing because people would know its private land!
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'Only The Connected'
...sounds like the early days of European hunting...only the elite hunted and the commoners watched !!!...history does repeat it's self...technical everything is posted in Louisiana...cheers
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admiral!
u bring up a good point! only the government and the elite will have and be able to do anything! where does that leave us commoners?? if everything in la. is technically posted, you think that's to keep the commoners out so the elite and politicians can go hunting and fishing whenever and wherever they want too? that would be unfair!! but admiral I thought the constitution starts off with 'WE THE PEOPLE'? did nobama change that too when I wasn't looking?? cheers!!
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'Political Science'
Beast...'we the people' or 'us folks' only gives us the false sense of hope...like Slick and Noose said it's 'gullibility' or 'stupidablity...cheers
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admiral!
you should be teaching history or political science!!! I think I got it now, bottom line, our government don't give a c??? about us folks!!!! Geronimo says, happy new years admiral to you and family!! cheers!! maybe 2015 will get better for us folks?? ha ha!!! r worst!!
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I will make it as simple as possible. La state law says I DO NOT have to post my property. It is your responsibility to know where you can be not mine. If there is any confusion here a little tip for you. If you don't own it,lease it, or have permission for the owner or lessee to be there you are TRESSPASSING. If you have no problem taking a chance on tresspassing on my property I have no problem procecuting you to fullest extent of the law
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Wow
all i can say is wow, people do go from one end of the spectrum to the other from as nice as they can be to just flat a&&hole.glad i distance myself from the latter. As this country goes, the rich get richer.... Soon they will own all the land, better not get off that state highway, tires off the shoulder? TRESPASSING! give him a ticket!!! ... LOL
I agree there are poachers, but MOST PEOPLE, its an honest mistake. Ive made it, and talked to the landowner. Very nice guy, he just asked me to be more careful shook my hand and we parted ways. Everyone deserves second chances, hunting is fun, for everyone. if we, as hunters, beat each other down then people stop hunting, we lose our hunters, we lose hunting....... we lose hunting, i dont know wat i would do. Let the police do something like try to reduce violent crime, or break-ins, not accidental trespassing...... Happy New Year!
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citations
Where were the citations issued?
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flatboat!
I will make it as simple as possible!I just think u enjoy seeing people get trespassing tickets, so you can show the little power that you have and get a rush, even though its an honest mistake!!! put up some signs!!
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Aint nobody worried bout WLF
Got plenty public land in baptiste on the right side go wherever ur heart desires n blam the ducks dwn
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Venice
A lot of it is not honest or accidental mistakes. It is a big problem down there, something has to be done. I have seen people ride right past signs or tear them down.
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I've noticed the same.
On our land we notice the same. We use to have to run off the same people, every week. It's not honest mistakes since the land is clearly marked, its just the easiest place to pass through/poach. I don't agree with giving warnings to trespassers. If you found someone in your backyard or in your home, would you warn them? What if this trespasser was armed, like hunters are? We have to remember, they are criminals...
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tresspassing/poaching
When we have ducks in Lafitte we have the same problems with repeat offenders. We take their picture/video with a GPS in the photo to prove to the sherif that they were on our land, and then we press charges. thats the only way we can make it stick
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beast
You better believe I enjoy seeing people getting citations for tresspassing!!! Why because they are POACHERS. It is simple if you don't own it or lease it you are tresspassing. The only land in La that is public is WMA's everything else belongs to someone. Its a black and white issue. Citations will continue untill hard headed poachers follow the LAW
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No excuses
I have had people when the river comes up motor in and start chunking out decoys in my lake or privately flooded timber . They think since the river comes up it's all public and free for the taking. It's not , I own and pay taxes on that land . They pay nothing and do not have any right to be there hunting or fishing . It is also is not any landowners responsibility to mark or post property lines , it's the responsibility of the individuals to know where they are . In this day and age there is no excuse for tresspassing because 'you didn't Know' . With GPS , smart phones, etc , you should know and if you can't figure it out then be prepare to pay fines . Luckily in recent years our trespassing has been minimal . They finally caught the hint I guess.
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law r no law!
I just think signs, and i'm right, will help property owners and the ones that don't mean to trespass(the innocent people)!!! the other ones nothing will help the property owners, except giving them a citation, no problem!!! not everybody is poachers that duck hunt or fish!!! put up signs man!!! law r no law!!!
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If you like public land and signs hunt the WMA. They are very well marked. Just remember once outside those signs you are on someones property and therefore a tresspasser. Be warned
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Thankfully Flat boat is wrong
With all due respect, you seem to be speaking outside of your area of expertise. WMA's are most certainly not the only public property in the state of Louisiana.

The marsh is full of state claimed water bottoms. Creeks, lakes, bayous, rivers, ect. All of which is legal. A perfect example is the area between PAC and catfish lake. There are public waterways that right straight through private land. The issue has been people assuming that anything other than a WMA is, in fact, private.

The state also owns and/or leases massive tracts of land

The reason the private property laws were changed so signs were no longer required had less to do with trespassing and more to do with liability. Department of Natural Resources keeps a map but it is very much impossible to know what's private and what is public. If you look at the DNR map you will see tiny pocks of private land scattered all over the WMA's with zero indication of where they begin and end. Sometimes they are clearly marked but all too often they are not.

If flat boat was correct, imagine the fall out when Louisiana's recreational fishing industry is all but shut down because there are only a half dozen or so places in the state to fish.

If you really want to get pissed off just think about billions of dollars we as tax payers have spent on coastal restoration. Why should we spend a dime to save Flat boats hunting lease? If that's the case then to hell with coastal restoration.
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Go else were
Boys boys boys !!! Except it greed has about killed sportsman camaraderie. If your able save a little vacation time and hunt other states all other states in the nation if you can get to it by water not land but by water you are not trespassing land is private but not water . If you get out of the south which I do love you will find land owners who welcome you the way it use to be before the almighty lease began. I joined a small lease and I still can't bring myself to try and run off a fisherman. I had the time of my life this year hunting out of state. Never paid a penny to hunt on grain fields. Didn't know the folks before. Flying is cheap and so are rentals. I hunted pheasants geese grouse and ducks all limits and no fees except out if state Lic very cheap not like la and ms. Met new hunting friends they couldn't believe you have to pay to hunt.
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Hurley
The bottom line is you better make dam sure YOU know where YOU are. I speak of Venice because that is the area that I know. You will have a very hard time finding any hunting land that is not private in that part of the world. Again you better know where you are the days of just riding around and posting up in a spot will be coming to an end.
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Where were the citations issued?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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hurley!
very well said! but, I think flatboat already knew that! just sounds more threatening the way he says it! he and others, not all, just wants to keep everybody from hunting and fishing! so hurley, if u cant get any kind of map from the state that clearly shows the start and end of all private land and the property owner doesn't have to put signs and you have no idea where private land is, how in the world can they have the right to give trespassing tickets????
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Another win for the good guys
More tickets issued this morning!!! Be sure your not on another persons property. Good luck to everyone for the rest of the season I'm done with this thread
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flatboat
yep hurley got you! i'd give up too!!
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staugs?
all I know in venice somewhere? flatboat sure could tell you, email him!
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Yep
I've been got lol
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flatboat
staugslugga wants, to know where these tickets are being given out can you help him out?
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Both
On the east and west side of the river, I won't give specifics
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This is the real world
If you want to post land you should have a fence or most post GPS numbers on the internet. State should have a web page for the numbers and would not take a second to find open or posted.
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captjs
thats a dern good idea and makes a lot of sense!! too bad our state government don't have as much sense as you! and landowners should be required by law to post to this site and if they don't no-one can be charged with trespassing on their property!! I think a lot of private landowners mite not really know where their land starts and stops, because that land has been in their family for hundreds of years, if its still theirs!! when they post it the state checks to make sure its really their land! mite not see to many landowners posting and that's ok!!! but, how would you go about getting this done??? remember last island!! a family in Terrebonne parish claimed they owned last island, went to court and if i'm not wrong the state proved they didn't and won and the state owns it now! could be the same with a lot of this private land ownership!! maybe that's why a lot of them don't want to put signs?? I know a lot of private landowners lost their land, in lower Lafourche parish, because property taxes were never paid on the property!
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'You Said That I Said That He Said'
...it's always been if they make a clear definition they lose money...so it's kept in the 'oxie moron' file !!!...cheers

Beast...Last Island is that the one below Stone and Lonesome...I can't remember ???
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admiral?
you got me there admiral??? cheers!!!!
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Dont need any more laws or regulations on private land onwners p
There is a website , google (sonris) it has an interactive map that you can overlay the sate claimed water ways on it. As far as requiring by law a land owner to put up a fence , good luck with that pipe dream , sounds just like the government requiring a person to buy health care. Its a STUPID idea. Its pretty simple on the main rivers if its dry at pool stage and the water comes up then well guess what its still private. Also most parishes have websites you can look up the Section, Township, and range of a property in question and it will give you the legal description. If they don't have a website you can drive to the court house and look at files and maps of property. It gives info on how many acres, who owns it, what they paid per acre and even how much the taxes are a year. Its not hard to find who owns anything just takes a little effort.
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sonris?
works as good as obamas site!!so they have a lot of laws and regulations on private landowners? doesn't seem to be they don't even have to put up signs!! a few signs would be a lot easier!!! why is it these landowners have a big problem putting up a few signs?? don't say cause the law don't require it!!! got to be other reasons???? like land never legally got transfered down to todays owners thru succession and is still in their great, great, great grandpas name??? r they really not sure if they own it anymore, what??? just because the family owned it 200, 300 years ago don't mean they still own it today??? is that what they afraid of, someone will find out!!! i'm not talking about all just some!!
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Not as easy as it sounds
I invite anyone to try and get the land maps off venice. They won't give them out because it was causing to much trouble I was told when I tried to get a copy. There is a lot of public land on the east side of venice , such as school board property. In most cases the private land owners can't tell you where the property line are because of all the land that has been lost over the years. every year there property get larger just move the sign a little. The sheriff alway sides with the land owner because he has no idea where the borders are either. Another case of having to prove your innocent not them proving your guilty. If the info was easier to get a lot of the problems would go away ,not all but a lot. How many piece of private land do you think they run across to tell you your on private land ?i guess it ok for them to do it just not you.
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lil O!
exactly correct!! thanks for your honesty! wish the landowners would be the same as you, honest, will never happen!! the deputies will side with the land owners, because they don't want the hassle they don't care! u rite landowners don't even know were there land is or even care, if they ever did because of erosion and old information from a couple hundred years ago!! they owned 10000 acres 200 years ago and those 10000 acres are still there today high and dry??? they just keep adding a half mile here and a half mile there! cant fight it costs to much and will lose anyway!!! funny aint it how our wonderful justice system works in this country, it don't!!!
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how much is a tresspassing ticket???
how much is a trespassing ticket for being in the wrong marsh not posted by signs or on any map and the landowner don't want to tell anyone where his private property is at, because he probably doesn't really know himself??? just curious??? I think we need to get rid of all highway, street, road and interstate signs that gives any kind of directions that lets you know where you at, what city you in and where you are going, makes sense to me????? remember, that would be ok, you suppose to know where u are at all times according to the land owners???
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Local issue
Im specifically referring to land in NELA . Marsh that's eroded away would be hard pressed to find the property lines if the land is washed away and you don't have a good GPS, etc but you cant just pass a state law requiring all land owners to put up signs, sounds like a local issue not a state wide issue. needs to be taken care of at the local level. I can see how its an issue for you guys. But anywhere else in the state its pretty easy to know where you are. another thing to keep in mind when searching for land ownership is that just because joe smith owns X property may not be listed under joe smith. It is probably under a LLC. As the property I own is all under and LLC and lists me as the CO of the LLC.
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Please read
If y'all get a chance read this article it tells how these local work
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DuckhunterNOLA
There is a lot of land that's available to the public to hunt in Venice. I would suggest you take the ticket to court, and any others that recieved tickets in Venice. If you were not caught in the act of hunting on private land and GPS coordinates not recorded then I think you will walk free. If a DNR or Sheriff wrote the ticket, then they should of been provided evidence that the accusations were true. If no evidence was provided, the. The law enforcement officers should of not written the ticket, and a warning should of been justified. You can be accused of anything, but without evidence, it has no leg to stand on in the court of law. I'm not telling anyone to go out and knowingly break the law, but if you do, and evidence that the law is broken then be prepared to pay. I highly recommend before anyone calls out law enforcement to enforce trespassing that you have a copy of the deed to your land with you that states what is your property.
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I would like to see proof.
I would be very surprised if any of the alleged citations are criminal trespass summons'. I'm willing to bet they are written trespass warnings. Reason being, you can't just call up the sheriff and have him charge someone with trespassing without providing proof of criminal trespassing, it simply does not work that way. I'm sure whoever was being accused, conceded and was issued a warning not to return.

My BS meter is maxed out. If there have been any criminal trespassing summons' issued it is easy to track down for anyone who's curious to finding out the truth.

A while back someone claimed to have had people arrested for fishing south of hwy 1 near grand isle. Even claimed to have Fouchon Harbor Police enforcing his private property rights. Turned out to be lies. I suspect something similar is going on here.
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Venice treespassing
I was also cited with criminal trespassing in Venice, problem is they have ruffled the wrong feathers as I had previously done my homework to avoid being on private property and still contend that I had and still have a right to hunt in the area I was cited. I contacted the state with my gps coordinates and they support my claim, they even sent me a map with my position and a letter stating I was on water bodies that are state owned with no opposition or dispute from adjacent land owners. A lot of people on here think they know the laws on trespassing and posted land , but most truly do not, and that even includes the Plaquemines parish sheriffs department, state water bodies become state owned once land is eroded and normal tide and water flow extend over the area, unless the adjacent property owner files a legal dispute with the state in which then the area will either be agreed upon as private landownership or state water bodies. Just as most sportsman don't like the law that says property doesn't have to be posted to be private most property owners don't even know that they do not own this land unless they dispute and get agreement from the state, agree or disagree, its the law. Also there are many sections of land on both sides of the river that are government owned both state and parish.
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ranger boat
good for you!!! that's right, fight it!!! did u get it settled yet? let us know what happens please! the judge, somebody needs to burn the landowner and the deputy that wrote the ticket for not knowing the law and where they were at and putting you thru all this hassle!!! who did you contact with the state to get this info you got?
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Landowner
I have followed this thread, and will now respond as the a-hole landowner.

My family owns many acres of land in SouthEast Louisiana and for years allowed public access. Then about 15 years ago something changed. There was no longer any respect for anyone.

We got sued 11 times in 10 years for liability issues. All ll of those suits were dismissed summarily in our favor. One suit was filed by a guy who was over 3 times the legal BAL and passed out at the wheel of his boat, then hit a tree. He sued us, claiming we should not have had a tree on the bank of a canal.

We had to spend over $17,500 in litter abatement, including removing batteries and tires.

When certain government agencies found batteries on our property we were required to appear in New Orleans, with lawyers ($2,500.00)to explain why we should not be fined for enviromental violations.

We stopped public access and completely signed the entire perimeter of the property. Within 6 months, the signs were either stolen, destroyed or shot.

The comments in this thread are what is wrong with society. No one wants to take responsibility for their own actions.

The landowner pays for the property, the land owner pays the insurance on the property, and the landowner pays for the taxes on the property.

Yet, when someone commits a crime (trespass/poaching) it is the landowner's fault for not posting the property for which he is not required to do.

As a whole, landowners are not trying to restrict public access as much as trying to avoid the headaches.

We have more ducks/deer on our property that we can possibily kill, but we restrict access for the above stated reasons. Now, we take wounded warriors, special needs individuals, and certain unfortunate teens, to enjoy the outdoors.

We have less headaches, less trouble, and a great feeling to see a guy in wheelchair, or a downs child or a troubled teen kill a deer or catch a fish or just enjoy being in south Louisiana.
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The land Owner
I salute you
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rhall301?
I personally never meant that all landowners were a-holes! I think you letting public access on your land was great, but when the bad guys(and there are a lot of them no doubt) started trashing your land and suing you, I don't blame you one bit for stopping public access! I would have done the same thing!! I highly commend you for what you are doing now, taking the less fortunate hunting and fishing! its a great thing and I know it has to give you a great feeling! all the good guys want is some way to find out where your land is(because they don't want to be on your land) and where public land is and it seems like that is impossible to find out! if you know how, please tell us! the good guys don't want to hunt or fish on your land, the bad guys will never care and always give you trouble!! I know, how do you distinguish between the two, no clue! just sad the good has to suffer for the bad! you know, like when I was a kid in school, one kid talks in class the whole class gets punished, I hated that! sad part is its still happening today in all parts of life!! I guess the state and local governments are mostly the blame because they don't provide the information needed to the good guys?? good luck to you!!
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Boy is there two sides
I drive the old Hwy by Middendorff every week and believe me it is a joke. There are about 10 places where there is a run out. Trash is pilled up by everyone of them. As a kid we use to fish and crab off the old sea plane landing by the NO Airport. Great fishing and crabbing people left trash even fish heads. They left them on the landing other than throwing them in the water. They closed it down. Guy had a pet deer at his place of work and someone shot the deer. I think you see where I cam coming from.
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captjs
u mean old hwy 51? yes I see where u coming from! people just don't have respect for anything anymore, much less each other or even themselves! what happened, i don't know, wish I did!!! I think it will just get even worst! look at the shape the world is in right now, people just don't care anymore, very sad but true!!! I feel real sorry for our kids and grandkids!! well let me be honest, big part of the problem in this country, is our own federal government, too much free stuff for people that don't deserve it! makes them people think everybody owes them!! think u know where i'm coming from!!!
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rhall
You hit the nail on the head. Land owners and people that legally lease land are fed up. Sorry if you can't figure out where these small sections of 'public land' is. Its not my fault nor my problem. Tickets will continue for poachers. Be an ehtical,responsible,respectable hunter or take the chance of being fined
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flatboat?
if people cant find maps showing where private and public land is, that is part of ya'll problem!! if any of you know where this info can be found please help us and yourselves!
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beast
Your still confused. You see I have the law on my side and also on speed dial. After I make the call it becomes the laws problem and soon after it becomes the poachers problem in the form of a ticket.
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no flatboat!
I am not confused! if ya'll don't want to help that's fine! have fun giving out them tickets and I can tell you really do enjoy doing that!! that's why you don't want to help, because you wouldn't be able to give out as many tickets, it just turns you on, power, power, power!!!! oh, I thought you were finished with this post???
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whatever
You could also post the property more clearly and be a little more clear on here. If it were my lease or land, and there were only 60 days in duck season, I would get a little tired of spending the days I could be there running up on people and calling the police. That's just me.
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Technology
This is 2015. Everyone has a smart phone, a GPS, or maps that are posted all over sites and at stores to find coordinate boundaries of public lands. You might not know who's land it is But you damn sure know who's land it ISN'T and it ISN'T yours. So stay off of it and out of the waterway to and from it. No need for signs, gates, fences or otherwise. Any descent hunter tracks out and thinks about the path or hunt they are gonna make the night before. It is your personal responsibility to know where you are. And if found in violation should never be a warning.
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signs don't work
you can post signs all day everyday and people can just pull them up out of the ground. That is why the laws changed. It used to be that the property had to be 'legally posted' in which the burden was on the landowner. In this instance all the trespasser had to do was pull a few signs and play dumb saying 'I didn't know it was private property because there were no signs'

Now the burden is on the hunter/fishermam/trespasser to find out if he should or shouldn't be there.
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Exactly
Exactly right. By law, Trespassers/Poachers are criminals. The burden is on them to know where they are, ignorance in not a defense and there is not a law that says that you have to warn anyone. Play stupid games, you get stupid prizes.
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well
But sitting there and watching it happen is just as foolish, especially if it messes up your hunt. If locks on my doors and windows weren't enough to keep my house from getting robbed, I'd buy an alarm and a sidearm. People rob houses every day knowing the consequences.

I don't trespass and will never, but the issue won't get fixed by a few tickets being written, or it would be fixed already.
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staug
what do you suggest he do staug? He can't just go take the law into his own hands wielding a pistol at every trespasser! He is doing what he can and that is to call the law on them. He is in the right, they are in the wrong

Not saying every person that is trespassing is doing it intentionally as some probably do not know any better, but some will trespass every day of the week even if they know they are in the wrong. We put up signs and gates to keep ATVs off our property, but they just pull them up or go around them. It gets real old when you have to deal with the same thing day in and day out
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beast
I guess i just couldn't stay away. As long as this thread stay on top the more people will see it and think twice about tresspassing. Your meaningless ramblings help keep it there!! And your right on MY property I have the POWER!!
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flatboat
well do you know where we could get any useful maps to help the innocent people from getting citations? your help and other landowners help would deeply be appreciated!
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Maps
You can view the maps here http://sonris-www.dnr.state.la.us/gis/agsweb/IE/JSViewer/index.html?TemplateID=381

The maps are a good tool to point out the obvious. Fishing is a little different than hunting. There are some places you can fish but can't set up a blind but the map should give you a pretty good idea of what's out there.

Unfortunately if you're going to fish in Louisiana you're going to have to trespass to some extent. There is no avoiding it.

Funny thing about the maps is if you believe the map for Lafouche Parish, the Golden Meadow public launch launches boats directly into private property. This seems crazy but it's what the map says.

Prepare as best as you can but you will NEVER be able to locate specific property boundaries because they no longer exist. A lot of the property lines are based off a survey that's over a century old. There are some ponds in the biloxi marsh that are half private, and half in the park. Riddle me that...

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Maps
U can go to the Parish and give them section numbers and they will tell u if its private or public, they will not give u a copy if the map. There are plenty maps available online. Also some Apps that will show public from private.
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WaterFowl Hunters
How do you make a duck blind??????

Poke him in the Eye.
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Bowhunter1896
My brother you have it all wrong.... The ONLY land on Baptiste Collette that is opened to the public is the school board property across from Grand Bay recieving station. You are wrong to say that their is plenty of land on the right side of Baptiste to hunt. My family pays the taxes on the land on the North side and the south side of Baptiste all the way down to the boundry of the Federal Wildlife Management Area near Pilot Town..... We get the alligator tags for the land as well. Know what your talking about my boy and stay off private property...
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elusiveporpi?
pretty good! but what is a ducks favorite food, seriously? don't know, itssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss, quackers!!! this is what we all need right now a little humor!!!!
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Southernbreed69
Lets use what you said as an example. I'm posting a link to a screens shot the DNR map of what you claim. While there are some truths, mainly the location of the school boar property that clearly shown, I have a problem with claiming everything to the south and east of collette being private.

DNR clearly shows state claimed water in these areas.

http://i.imgur.com/La8hNcE.jpg
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timing of report
anyone notice the post originator joined at 5:24 pm and posted his first post at 5:29 pm on 29 DEC? Sounds like someone is trying to scare people from hunting Venice area.

For those that really want to know, as another poster said, you can go down to the court house and find out who owns what land, and who pays the taxes.

Not sure tickets were issued like flat boat said.
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Siding with DNR
The only factual document to be posted thus far in this thread was the DNR map showing state land and water. Looks like alot of water in the baptiste area is claimed no differently by the state than the mighty Mississippi herself. Looks like Y'all may own/lease mineral rights and alligator on/ under the dirt, but you sure don't own/lease the water above.

Also, It seems strange to me that the public land hunters are the only ones providing actual facts....
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quack
Please show a factual document. That map from DNR isn't worth the paper its written on. According to your map my house sits on state land. Hell most of the Federal Refuge sits on state land lol. I promise you that map will get you a tresspassing ticket like a few others this past weekend. Theres a reason for disclamer
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Flatboat
The map is correct and up to date. Show a screen shot of your accusations if you believe you are right. It makes things easier when people back up their claims rather than spewing bs or repeating bad information simply because 'that's the way it's always been.'

I suspect you are using the map incorrectly. As for the NWR, it is publicly accessible and the maps shows it as such.
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Louisiana Sportsman
This actually seems like a good write up in the sportsman magazine. Hopefully, someone from Louisiana Sportsman will see this debate and get some inside information and post it in Sportsman Magazine. I suspect that will not happen because no one will be willing to put in the leg work to show the people of Louisiana where to hunt. There just seems to be to much grey area in what is open to the public and what is not. I'm still not convinced the tickets were written.
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Hurley
According to the map YOU posted at best the property is dual claimed by LANDOWERS and state. The landowner will win everytime in court. Try to beat a tresspassing ticket in Plaquemines Parish or any other for that matter with this map and you will be laughed out of court by the judge. Better yet go make you an evening hunt on that state claimed land/water inside the Federal refuge and see what a federal judge thinks about your map
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honesty
Sad to say only honest ppl will not trespass. Obviously a trespassing citation is not enough to deter the hardcore hunters or they would not be trespassing. How much is the fine really anyway and im sure its just a misdemeanor? I dont trespass but im sure the people that do could care less if you give them the silly little citation.
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Flatboat had no idea Hurley
I'm also pissed as I got ran off of so called private property that come to find out is school board land. As far as all the land around baptise being private bulls**t you can hunt all of these tracks of land in township 20SR18E. TRACK 16,24,27,28,29,30,31 the east half of section 56 an the northeast quarter of section 54 an that's just to name a few because this is GRAND PRAIRIE LEVEE DISTRICT LANDS.!!!!
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mariner
While you may correct about those few sections being public the problem is you give people the impression that its a lot of property and its not. The rest is private
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Southernbreed69
I would to see where U claim the rights to the tracks of land I stated on the south side of being your family's cause U pay the taxes on them...
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Flatboat
I'm not giving the impression of any thing I'm sure i can sit here an list 1000's or acres of land around venice that is public all the Buras levee district lands in the west side of the river.!!! The problem I have is the power an politics of this parish they corrupt an I'm pissed that I got ran off public land in venice that is marked private.!!!!
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mariner
Thats a shitty deal that you got ran off of parish property. You live and you learn and it seems that you've did a lil homework and know now where you can and can't be. The problem I have is tresspassers.
I've made my point over and over again on this subject.its as simple as knowing where you are and having permission to be where you are. Warnings and giving people a break for tresspassing is over for me. I will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. And before some jackleg says it YES I CAND PROVE WHAT IS MINE AND I OWN IT
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STATE AGENCY
WHAT IS STATE AGENCY LAND?
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flatboat
I posted no such map that even hinted to the idea that any property is dual claimed. The screen shot I posted shows only state claimed water bodies and state owned/leased land. You think you are reading the legend correctly but you are wrong.

I'm willing to have an intelligent conversation but if you're just going to try and sell the same old small town rhetoric then there is no point. You suggest my map shows something it does not but refuse to back it up with any evidence. You are speaking outside your pay grade by eluding to knowing how Plaquemines parish court will handle this kind of evidence. Of course, just like every single Plaquemines parish blow hard I've ever met claimed to know someone inside the court system, I'm sure you are no different.
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Judges,,Lawyers,,Doctors..
If u are cited a trespassing ticket you are most likey doomed in parish court U mite have a chance if appeal to a higher court. LIL O and BEAST are rite the assessors office will not issue maps probably because some elected officials said not to. Take in this bit of knowledge for consideration most of the land north of Baptise Colette is owned or subleased by PIVACH a powerful attorney of the parish. Who is also the manager for the LOUISIANA FRUIT COMPANY which claims ownership to plenty land west of the river.. Then there's george Robinson an Josephine ambecrombie that own Robinson interest co llc.an JA interest inc. who own the biggest portion from the river west to red pass. The also have portions of the land subleased out to Richard Kohnke which is another lawyer then you have another sublease to Benjamin Waring a land/attorney from new Orleans yall see the power an politics associated with these lands. So STAUGS I would only assume that the trespassing tickets where issues on there property by a guy named Chad Rudolph an a PPSO COP named Leander Jurevich who is on the lawyers payroll to patrol... An personally I don't think they have a dam clue of the property boundaries via lat/ long coordinates.!!! Oh I forgot to mention that the judge of plaquemines parish Michael Clement has ties an hunts this land as well.. Oh an let's not forget the owner of BIPPO THE HIPPO dentistry Dr. Edward Donaldson also has land leased along the river to pliottown...
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Hurley
If you receive a ticket for tresspassing your map will do you no good in court and you know it. Theres a reason for the disclaimer. You are giving people the false hope that this map is a tool to be used to argue with property owners about there property and there boundaries. Again read the disclaimer. Your map isn't worth the paper its written on
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justice???
I think now we can pretty much figure out what is going on now!! I guess the same thing that goes on in a lot of places!! the man with the gold makes the rules!!!! justice in a court of law, no such thing in this country if you don't have any gold or at least know somebody that does!!!!! same old, same old!!!!
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Flatboat
You're still wrong. That very well may be private, as it is marked as such. However, the map does not suggest the sate has any claim. What you're misinterpreting as as dual claimed is simply the color of the satellite imagery.

Here is the same map with the satellite reference layer removed showing that you are misinterpreting the legend.

http://i.imgur.com/eKokULh.jpg

As of this moment the DNR map is accurate. Unless someone donates their land to the state or state land is opened up for private lease then the map stands are correct. Even then the map will be updated relatively soon after closing. When some of the boundaries of the Biloxi Marsh changed the map was updated within a day or two.
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beast
White privledge is what al sharpton calls it. It looks like you agree with him
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hurley
Do you have any personnal knowledge of this property? Do you know the layout or have you set foot in this area?
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Flatboat
I removed the satellite reference layer to show you the mistake you're making. It may be your family land, I don't really care if it is or not. However, the map I posted clearly shows your alleged property marked as private. I'm not sure where you're getting this dual claimed argument.

Everything else you claimed to be private is shown as state claimed water bottoms.
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hurley
I'm done with that map man and beleive me I can read it just fine,it means absolutely nothing to the whole tresspassing issue(remember that disclaimer). Private property is still private property that map will never be sufficent evidence that would hold up in court and get someone out of a ticket. If you choose to hunt on property without permission or the right to be there you run the chance of paying a fine. Before you say anything else about that map read the disclaimer again and again and once more till it sinks in
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flatboat????
white privledge?? what in the world are you talking about, explain that if you can???? I do think you need to get off this thread, you are making even less sense, than you have been making!! take a break, go chase somebody!!!
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lol
That sonris map has been around a while,theres a reason every duck commanding surface driving weekend warrier doesn't have one in their back pocket,its useless. Hurley just thought he found the golden ticket. Poor beast can't make heads tails of the situation so he just rambles
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trash
Sonris dont mean anything. Lots of land in delacroix is shown on sonris as state owned water bottoms but delacroix corp will prove otherwise. Its the most useless map there is means nothing.
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Flatboat Green
'Duck Commanding, surface driving, weekend warrior' is the best comment in this thread!
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Map
The map is from the the department of natural resources and it is, in fact, correct to date. Unless someone made a land transfer from the time I posted the screen shot until the first reply, the map is correct. That is why the disclaimer is in place. This map is created from the land surveys. This is THE map. When you pull court records this is where the map comes from. There is NO other map. Plaquemines parish doesn't have their own special maps. I don't understand why this is so hard to grasp.

Flatboat made some bs plea saying the map showed his family property as dual claimed, when the map made no such claim. The error was pointed out but the map is still dismissed.

Whoever passed the map around the office is just another blowhard talking about something that never happened. You didn't pass a map around the office. Nobody laughed. If you want to argue, at the very least bring something to back up your claim.

NOT ONE single person has done anything other say what they believe to be true. Which has been a multitude of different claims. No two of which are alike. ZERO other maps have been produced. The excuse is thrown around about how the owners/lease holders don't have to do anything, so why bother chiming in?

The private property laws in Louisiana, as it pertains to tidal water, are gray at best. The only thing that is consistent is these parishes would suffer tremendously if their tourist dollars were taken away because of the lack of public access. As it stands right now there are enough private property owners who don't restrict access to keep the tourist economy alive. Sweetwater marina launches well over 100 boats a day right now but if you look at the map there is practically zero pubic water in Delacroix.

Next weekend there is a somewhat large Kayak fishing tournament at the leeville public launch. Do you honestly believe those kayakers are paddling across bayou lafourche to the east and then the two miles to the state property? HELL NO. So why will nobody be down there writing dozens of tickets?

Same goes for Venice. If this fictitious crack down is really happening they way people claim, the DA's office would be retarded to prosecute and build a reputation for handing out citation like candy.
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Trent
I see you deleted your previous post of the map illustration you drawn out claiming it to be TRAHAN land when you obviously was claiming BURAS & ADOLPH LAND on the map..

THATS THE PROBLEM EXISTING LAND OWNERS OVER STEPPING THEIR BOUNDRYS CLAIMING SHIT THAT ISNT THEIRS.......
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map
The DNR map NEVER showed the property you circled as dual claimed. It only showed it as private, it did not mark it as anything other than privately owned. Stop saying the map shows something it doesn't.
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hurley
Dude your head is hard as a brick. Go to any land office,judge,or anyone with any knowlege on the subject and they will tell you that map is useless.I urge you to use that map and try to hunt private property and see what it gets you.
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flatboat?
I understand the situation on here perfectly!! give me the explanation of white privledge means like I asked and quit rambling! I know you can't so just say you cant! all you can say is, its all private land, theres no public land, the maps are wrong!!
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Beast
1.Its majority private
2.The map is not even close to being correct and will be useless in court.
3.You will get a ticket if caught on my property or quite a few other peoples property and you will not get out of it.

The sheriffs dept,the judge,and law is on the landowners and the lease holders side.
If you dont believe it go try it.
P.S. Bring a copy of that sonris map with you
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Tickets
If u don't believe tickets are being written, call Ryan Lambert and ask him…Lol
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flatboat?
you're rambling again! you keep saying the same thing over and over! now once again, what does white privledge mean? do you understand the words coming out of my mouth? what does white privledge mean????
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flatboat you keep saying the map is wrong . Why don't you produce a map that is rite. It has to be recorded somewhere where the boundery is. As a land owner I would think it is your best interest to know where your property line is. Just produce a copy of a legit map that shows the lines and the argument is over. Unless its a case of where I used to hunt in the swamp and a guy with a lease moved his signs further in every year.
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fowlfish?
if this guy got a ticket,u shouldn't put his name on here you wrong!!! if this guy is a landowner or the guy who gave the ticket and they don't mine, whats their phone # ? cant call without that bra??
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bullcoon?
you got a better chance of winning the powerball two weeks in a row, than flatboat producing a legit map!!!! you right he should have done that already! he just don't have one!! be careful bullcoon, this guy got pull like he said on here!!! you mite get a ticket in the mail!!!
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Beast
My pull consists of the law its the same pull everyone has. If you break the law and tresspass on my property i will call the law and they will take it from there. Its very simple even for a guy like you
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flatboat?
ok but still 1 more time! i'll make it as simple as possible, what did you mean when you said white privledge??? if you don't want to answer the question, just say so, very easy!!
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Beast I had a guy once threaten to call the law on me for trespassing on his lease. I told him where i was parked and what I was driving and I'm sure the deputy would know my uncle whose land I was on . I knew a group of guy's posted swamp and didn't even know the owners or that they lived out of state. I haven't slept at a holiday inn lately but I'm pretty sure if you get a ticket someone got to show up in court to prove you wrong no matter what judge you got in your pocket. As far as a ticket in mail I throw all my junk mail in garbage. Theres more to it then just getting on a forum and trying to keep people from trespassing by threatening with a ticket. People who break the law for whatever really don't care. I do understand how the landowners feel but its probly just gunna get worse as people just gunna care less.
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Beast
It is a al sharpton joke!!!!!!! U know like how you boo hoo about certain people getting special treatment from cops, judges,ect. Ole Al thinks all white people get special privledges. You and al got a lot in common. He thinks blacks are entitled to everything from whitey and and you think your entitled to property owners giving you maps stating where u can hunt.
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beast
Beast, I didn't say he got one, I said call him and ask if it happened or not……BRA.
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flatboat?
o I c!!! so you don't have a map???
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fowlfish???
it sure sounded like it! so how would he know if he didn't get one??? r did this guy give it? so whats his # if he gave you permission to reveal that personal info?? what country does he live in so I can look up his name in the phone book???
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Beast
I most certainly have maps of my property and most other propertys in southern plaquemines parish. And no you won't get them. You are not entitled to them,they don't concern you,if you can get maps for public land so be it. Untill then be very carefull
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flatboat?
maps don't concern us? oic, well what have we been talking about all this time??
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Beast
Try an keep up,this thread is about tresspassers. I dont give a shit if you hunt or where u hunt as long as your not on my land!!
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Trespassing
The oil companies used to repair all the cuts that eroded when I was younger we had to throw pirogues over the banks to get in to the lease we had. Over the years they stopped repairing and with all the erosion people can get into the marsh anywhere. We are all trasspassers. Every has fished on someone else's property at one point or another whether it be a canal or pond. No one fishes just on there lease. That being said I do my homework before going out for hunting and make sure I'm in the right place and legal because I've been on both sides.
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Marineroftheseas
Dear Mariner.... Their is a reason that the Parish Goverment does not issues out maps of what is Parish owned and what is private owned. The reason why is because so much of what is so called Buras Grand Prairie Levee District Property is disputed between the Parish and the Land Owners and the Parish is not willing to fight the land owners to settle the dispute. How can the parish claim to own narrow sections of land that cut through the majority of the land owners property? They don't. That is why you will never get a map issued from the Parish. I agree with Flatboat. We will not produce any maps that that will be used by you or anyone else. When you pay taxes on the land you know where your land is locatied. And for the jackass that thinks just because the land may have erroided away and is cover by a few inches of water that it is somehow free to hunt, screw you.... It is still private property.....
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Southernbreed69
No buddy screw U..... An as far at the comment about the parish not issuing maps that was directed to someone else..my comment to U was I would like to see the papers where u pay taxes on the tracks I listed cause U claim your family owns the right side of Baptise to the reserve when they don't.. An as far as U say me or no one else will get your maps.... I can give a shit less... I never claimed to need your maps I'm sure I have more maps then U anyway.... Any intelligent person can get them.... An the land U are claiming I'm sure is listed as Eugene DeArmas with about 100 other people....claiming the same land.... The problem I have is with people like U saying YALL own everything right of Baptist south to the reserve when YOU CLEARLY DONT AN CLAIMING SHIT THAT AINT YOURS.... The other problem I stated is the property owners not knowing their property boundaries an claiming 100's-1000's of feet of property that isn't theirs because 75% of the land down there is unsurvyed sea marsh.!!!
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Mariner
Mariner yes my family is a decendant of the Eugene DeArmas. The property that we pay the sole taxes on along the river and Baptiste is under my grandfathers name Fredrick and their are four siblings that own the land not the 100 that you claim. We also pay a portion of taxes along with 30 other family memebers of on other land on Baptiste up to the school board property. IDK what you think buddy but it is private property. We own the land. We pay the taxes along with other Buras family heirs. You can cry all you want... Its not your land buddy.....
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marineroftheseas!
I think you got them worried brother!!! they afraid you are letting the cat out of the bag!!! seems like they got together and are having meetings about this and are starting to come out the woodwork to try to fight this!!! yep they worried!!!!
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Beast
LOL Beast.... Your funny.... As for Mariner, he needs to stay at home on the weekends and spend time with his wife, quit looking at old maps and maybe take up golfing....
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