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Hybrid Squirrel?

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I killed this squirrel at my camp in the basin and was wondering if it is a cross between a fox and grey squirrel. The belly is orange like a fox squirrel, but it has the tail and size of a grey squirrel. Any help? Thanks!
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ID
Top is a cat squirrel, bottom is a true gray squirrel.
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Thanks
Thanks for clearing that up for me. My understanding was that a cat squirrel and grey squirrel were the same. Thanks again
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ID
I thought the same thing too. But, I hunted with some buddies a couple years ago on Hog Island in the Spillway and killed one just like that and when I asked the same question, one of the older guys there told me that.
Gotta admit, squirrel hunting in the Spillway is incredible! Plenty squirrels and more fox and black squirrels than cat squirels.
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Amazing
The squirrel hunting is awesome. There are tons of fox squirrels and black squirrels. My buddy killed 4 black squirrels on his first hunt and 3 on his second and most of our limits consist of fox and black squirrels.
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what
that is cool never saw that before!
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but, but, but.....
Hate to bust ya'lls bubble, but cat squirrel and Gray Squirrel are the same thing. Differences in opinion have led to certain gray squirrels being called 'cat squirrels', because of their size or what ever other reason, but there is no such species. The fox squirrel and gray squirrel are the only tree squirrels that occur in Louisiana. The only other species that occurs here is the southern flying squirrel. The squirrel in this picture is more than likely a hybrid between a gray and fox squirrel.
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J - Give me a minute and I will find it but you are part right and part wrong. There ARE 2 species of squirrels, fox and cat, but there are also 3 sub-species of fox and 2 sub-species of cat. That is straight form LW&F website. They do not ID the sub-species though.
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Hybrids
Unless something changed since 1973 when I took Wildlife Biology and Field Zoology at SLU, fox and cat squirrels do not interbreed. I asked the question and the Prof answered it . I asked the question concerning Bachman's Fox squirrel in the Florida Parishes and Gray-cat squirrels .
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turkey - The Bachman is a blaze-face right? Isn't a black squirrel called a Delta or something? I can't find anything that lists the sub-species of cat squirrel, just that there are 2. What is the 3rd species of fox? Red squirrel?
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Squirrels
There is no such thing as a cat squirrel. That just a term that some coon@ss came up with just like there's no such thing as a dogris...it's a Scaup. There are only Gray squirrels and Fox squirrels in Louisiana. A fox squirrel can give birth to a normal fox squirrel, a black squirrel and a Bachman's (blaze face) all in the same litter because they are all the same species. Just like there are black, yellow and chocolate labs. Gray squirrels can also be black.
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Bachman's
We only have Bachman's away from the Mississippi River. In St Helena , East Feliciana , Tangipahoa W,asington, St Tammany and Livingston Parishes where I have spent my misguided life of 60 years , I have never seen a black fox squirrel. West of The Mississippi I have seen black ones.
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Squirrels
I'm going to throw another wrench in the gears. There are in fact subspecies of fox squirrels in LA. There is the Delta Fox which many are familiar with that are red and have a black phase. These can in fact come from the same litter. The Bachman's fox is a completely different squirrel. They have the white face and white tips on their feet and tail. They can have a black phase that keeps the white tips but are pretty rare. Then there's the one you killed. We've always called them a red squirrel. They get bigger than grey squirrels but not as large as the Delta Fox and nowhere near as big as the Bachman's or Bach, sometimes called Box, squirrel. It is not a crossbreed, they are a different squirrel. City park has had them for as long as I can remember if you know where to look.
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Not a Squirrelologist
I stand semi-corrected. While my last post was obviously not totally incorrect, there are subspecies that I failed to think of, much less mention. I'm not a squirrelologist by any means. But I still stand by everything I said in my last post--no such thing as a cat squirrel (simply a gray squirrel by a different name)-- except that it is a hybrid, because clearly, it may not be.

Although I must disagree with the statement that the 2 species do not interbreed. There is no way possible to prove that, and I'm sure in some places it is very possible that they do interbreed.
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Hybrid
thats looke to me like Fox&Cat Squirrel cross bred I've seen before local place i grew hunting in Hard Wood
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Re: Hybrid Squirrel?
The one with the orange belly is a Bayou Grey Squirrel and the other is a Southern grey Squirrel. All Louisiana species of squirrels are described and shown in the 'Louisiana Conservationist' magazine, September/October 1988 issue. It shows the two subspecies of grey squirrels and the three subspecies of fox squirrel with their color variation.
You can email me and I'll send you a PDF version of that issue or you can go to the website below to view and read the issue
Darryl Andrews

https://archive.org/details/louisianaconserv405depa
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Only two species
There are only 2 true species of tree squirrels excluding flying squirrels. They are Sciurus niger and Sciurus carolinensis. There are subspecies of each one as well (bachmans for instance is a subspecies of S. niger). Each species has black phases and the dark coloration can be further classified as dark agouti or melanistic (jet black)

S. niger is often called red or fox squirrels and S. carolinensis is called gray or cat squirrels. Neither is wrong. Just a common name
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they all look the same in that black iron skillet,,,cho
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dmbbowhunt,

I shot this one last week. Turned it over to find the most bizarre color pattern I have seen yet on a squirrel. It looks like it is half gray and half fox. Had to position it completely belly up to see the pattern. Couldn't help exposing the poor guys private parts. A distinguishable rusty red stripe right down the middle of the belly. This has to be a hybrid of a gray and fox.

Zanrico
Dayton, Ohio
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Re: Hybrid Squirrel?
I am not a biologist specifically - but I do have a Master of Science in Psychology with a Biology background and have co-authored journal articles in psychobiology.
Anyway, I would speculate based upon the research literature that what you have there is a color variation of a Bayou gray squirrel as opposed to a fox-gray hybrid which supposedly is extremely rare.
Or . . . a hybrid between a southern gray and a bayou gray - although I have never observed such a report in journals.
Problem is . . . there are so few Bayou gray squirrels now - we do not have much information.
See this article for more explanation: http://www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=10017

What was the size of this squirrel?
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Re: Hybrid Squirrel?
Hi Chris,

Sorry, it took a while to respond to this. I don't get notifications when someone does reply to this topic.

The size was consistent with the gray squirrels native to the Ohio Miami Valley region. It surprised me when I turned it over to see that pattern.

There are some with more of the red-rust color on face underside that are a bit bigger. They are extremely tough animals and don't go down right away with even lethal shots with a more than powerful enough air rifle. These animals seem to be distinctly different than the native grays.

Zanrico
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