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Bass Fishing in Henderson Lake in South Central Louisiana

Spillway Crybabies

Spillway crybabies

Nothing will please self-appointed bass protectors. They will always have disdain for anyone that likes to fish & eat their catches. Scientific studies be damned, these self-appointed bass protectors know what's best.

You guys kill me!!!

A recent LDWF evaluation determined that the 14 minimum size limit for bass in the Atchafalaya Basin, Lake Verret, Lake Palourde, and Fausse Pointe Lake is not effective in increasing the abundance of large size bass. For the full evaluation, visit HERE.

Results from the study indicate that growth and life span of Atchafalaya Basin bass are more heavily influenced by environmental factors than by anglers. Anglers release small fish with the expectation that they will grow larger with age. In the Atchafalaya Basin, there is no guarantee conditions will be favorable for their development. Basin anglers have been releasing bass since 1992, only to see them become victims of storm after storm.

Anglers in the Atchafalaya Basin will continue to catch the same number of nice size bass with or without any length limit. Therefore, our technical staff does not consider length regulations to be beneficial for the Atchafalaya Basin, Lake Verret, Lake Palourde and Fausse Pointe Lake.

Atchafalaya Basin anglers currently catch more bass due to the 14 minimum length limit because most bass are protected from harvest. It is important to understand that removal of the 14 minimum length limit would increase bass harvest and decrease the number of available bass for anglers to catch. A temporary reduction in creel limit could moderate the change, but environmental factors will eventually determine the number of bass available to anglers in the Atchafalaya Basin.

The Atchafalaya Basin is one of the most popular fisheries in Louisiana. Therefore, any regulation change will directly impact thousands of anglers. Your comments and opinions will provide valuable insight into angler preferences toward bass management in the Atchafalaya Basin.
February 08, 2013 at 1:21pm
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Posted February 10, 2013 at 2:32pm
Pulled Post

Any particular reason you pulled your post on Pearl River? Could it be you thought about it and decided you don't want your Honey Hole pounded. See, there is some place besides the spillway that you can keep fish. It is a good fishery, isn't bit.

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Posted February 10, 2013 at 4:35pm
Pearl River 2-9-13

Bob Battistella

Pearl River 2-9-13

Going to have a good fry, and I don't feel guilty about it!

Bob Battistella

Going to have a good fry, and I don't feel guilty about it!

Pulled Post

No, I pulled the post because the fish pic was from last week. The sink pic was from yesterday! I cannot locate the good bass pic from yesterday! Also, I was having Internet issues and posted it 3 times in error!

All our fish came from North of I-10 in the Pearl River! I never have issues with helping others get on fish. I'm not a tournament fisherman; I love to see people catching & enjoying my favorite pass time! I love to talk fishing.

The spillway issue has ignited a firestorm. I'm an advocate of fishing & eating fish. If one chooses to release everything they catch, good for them. If one chooses to eat what they catch, good for them. Don't break the laws set by people in the know, and I'm fine with fishing & eating.

I'm not a huge hunter; but, I can see why folks do it! I'm not a fan of anyone berating my choice to eat a few fish.

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Posted February 10, 2013 at 4:56pm
Pearl River

I love the Pearl River. It has so many different types of fishing, but you only have to launch once!

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JB
Posted February 10, 2013 at 7:41pm
Post

Why was my comment pulled from this thread? I asked a question. Unlike the original poster, I did not call anyone a name nor did I use profanity (such as the OP). I only asked what the difference is between people complaining about releasing fish and people complaining about keeping fish?

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Posted February 10, 2013 at 10:07pm
Yankee rednecks

THEY TOOK OUR FEESH!!!!!

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Posted February 11, 2013 at 10:24am
Don't care either way

But I sure do enjoy post like this! Think I'll go pop some popcorn :)

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JB
Posted February 11, 2013 at 12:26pm
Hilarious

BIGBEE - I can't read your comment with thinking about that episode of South Park, 'THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!!' Hysterical...

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Posted February 11, 2013 at 2:22pm
Basin Bass

I say do away with the 14' limit. I like to eat fish too. That is the same reason why it cost a fourtune to deer hunt now, a few people with money want to be 'TROPHY' hunters and have about out priced the regular guy from being able to hunt.

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Posted February 11, 2013 at 3:16pm
Something for everyone

Coondog, that is why we have management areas as well as public land available for hunting. A little something for everyone.

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Posted February 11, 2013 at 4:47pm
spillway

I love how every time there is a decision about the spillway. Some people love to use the word TROPHY as a crutch to support there argument. I don't think In all the posts I have read I have seen that word used one by anyone thats ageist the change. The 14' limit was to make sure fish had more than one spawn before they were caught. Its right there in black in white in the LWF study people like throwing out so much.
The thing people don't get is nobody is saying its a sin to keep fish. Releasing everything is just as bad as keeping everything and thats a cold hard fact. The point allot of us are arguing is we think the spillway is a great fishery. There are very few places in this state you can go and catch fish from the time you put your trolling motor down till you leave. A place that you can go and catch 50- 100 fish is a special place. I have had a few almost 200 fish days. I have caught 20+ keepers on allot of those trips. I have seen fish caught from 12'' up to 7lbs. So in my eyes I think nothing is wrong with the fishery and I know alot of other people feel the same way.
The study said nothing about the basin being a unhealthy fishery at all. It simply stated that because of the ecosystem it takes to long for fish to reach 14'' and allot of people were not able to keep the number of fish they want. With or without a 14'' limit you are still going to catch 12 to 13'' fish thats not going to change. The thing that will be the biggest impact is the overall number of fish will take a big hit when it is opened up. The first year will be great everybody happy. The second year they will still have a good number of fish,but they will be harder to catch. Then about three years down the road people will still catch fish,but they will be far more spread out and harder to catch. You wont be able to just pull up anyplace and start hammering them like you cant now. Its the way the LWF is going about the implementation of the new regs that some of us are mad about. It would have been much better to put these inlace next winter or fall when fishing pressure is much lighter. Because then we could have just eased into this transition instead of looking like the wild west.
I would have like to seen 5 over 14'' and 5 under or just 5 altogether but thats just my humble opinion. This isn't going to hurt my fishing. Me and the others that put allot of time in will still go and catch nice fish like I always have while everybody else is whining about not even catching those 13'' fish anymore. It sure is nice going just about anyplace out there and catching 50 fish though. I dont care what you keep I just like going any easily catching 50-100 fish.

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Posted February 11, 2013 at 10:36pm
What !

You couldn't of put it any plainer Green Head, but to some, it's still rocket science.

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Posted February 12, 2013 at 3:08pm
easy fix

slot limit

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Posted February 13, 2013 at 8:11pm
Greenhead has it right

You have hit the nail on the head, but people will still not listen. We are plagued with the same ignorance that Louisianans have had to deal with for a long time now. Once they change the regulations and the spillway fishes like False River, Tickfaw, or any other they will complain about it then. The educated people understand the spillway is a paradise because you CAN go and catch plenty of fish AND bring home some fish. You just cannot bring everything you catch.

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Posted February 14, 2013 at 12:15pm
I know this action is inconceivable to those of us that are self appointed protectors of the spillwa

Bob Battistella

I know this action is inconceivable to those of us that are self appointed protectors of the spillwa

Cajun Football

Canjun Football wants us to believe that the state biologist are wrong. Studies that have been conducted for years are worng, and we should believe these self appointed protectors of the spillway.

'The educated people understand the spillway is a paradise because you CAN go and catch plenty of fish AND bring home some fish. You just cannot bring everything you catch.' Cajun Football

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Posted February 14, 2013 at 12:52pm
You misunderstood

I don't know if you posted that picture in an attempt to get me upset because you had fried bass or not. I've said numerous times that I bring home fish when I go to the spillway, and that I have absolutely NO problem with people bringing home a mess of fish.

My problem is not with the people, but with the biologist at LAW&F. They choose to use extremes and base decisions off of historic data, which is to say they are being reactive. If they would be proactive about the fishery and continue their research trying to find the best option then I would have no problem. Instead they admit their current plan has failed and as a result they've given up and will just bring the spillway back to norm.

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Posted February 14, 2013 at 11:40pm
???????

Is that a Bluetooth in your ear? While you are fishing? Sorry but I cannot read your comments through my tears of laughter.

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Posted February 15, 2013 at 12:09am
Cajun

My apologizes to Cajun. This spillway issue is exhaustive. I love to fish and talk fish and look at fish pictures! Get the point?

While fishing I always help my fellow fisherman! I have so much fun seeing people catch fish that haven't had the experience. Nothing like it. Kids are the best, but watching adults catch them is also a good time.

It's disturbing to see bass bullies on this site, or anywhere for that matter. I have never intentionally hurt a bass or the bass experience. I don't feel as though the average person wants to hurt the bass experience, either.

LA Sportsman is a great source for our state. This topic isn't fun. I hope the state makes the correct choice. If not, I hope the state corrects its mistake. My wish is that folks get to have fun fishing, eating some of their catch, and releasing other fish for another day.

I have grown weary. Tight lines for all!

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Posted February 15, 2013 at 12:12am
Webfoot

You are correct sir, it's my Bluetooth. I check in with my office from time to time. I find it a nice tool to have while driving and fishing! Perhaps you can give it a try.

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JB
Posted February 15, 2013 at 9:53am
Negative

bob - once again, you misunderstand. I never remember ANYONE saying that all bass should be released. I have never heard anyone say nobody should keep a bass. All I have said and read from other posters is SOME should be released to ensure fish for the next day.
As for your disdain for bullies, only 1 person on this thread has used profanity, called other people derogative names and even went as far as to post pics to illicit a retaliation when the post went stale. Want to take a stab as to who that was?

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JB
Posted February 15, 2013 at 9:57am
HILARIOUS

webfoot - that was hilarious. Normally I do not entertain people that feel the need to wear a bluetooth, ESPECIALLY when fishing but I, unlike you, did not check the profile picture before I got up to my neck in this post. Lesson learned...

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Posted February 19, 2013 at 11:58am
study

you guys need to take the 'scientific study' that LDWF conducted with a grain of salt. most of their 'study' was conducted around Henderson and on the west side of the Atchafalaya River. Most of us dont even fish those areas. catch surveys were only conducted following natural events that caused fish kills. not during the 'good years'. they didnt even conduct a single shock test on the verret side. and only 6 or 7 shock studies in areas that I fish out of belle river public down to russo's. IMO the study is a joke and does not reflect what is really going on in the basin. People that are taking this study as 'scientific fact' are uneducated people who can not read and evaluate what LDWF really conducted. and that is boloney study to justify lowering the limits.

unfortunately most of the people that are in favor of this study and take it as 'scientific fact' dont know the difference between you, you're and your or there, their, and they're.

edit: limits should be calculated based upon pounds of fish per square mile. not 'well they just gonna die anyway so let people eat'

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JB
Posted February 19, 2013 at 12:05pm
Spillway

BStrik - Welcome to the party. Unfortunately, I think the vast majority of the people that are using the study as an argument are doing so to justify their position. The study supports their want to keep fish so they are using it as Gospel.
I find it funny that some people claim the biologists are idiots when it comes to hunting and red snapper but laud the biologists when it comes to bass.

NOTE - before I am attacked, yes I know that biologists that study deer in the state are not the same that study bass in the Spillway or red snapper in the Gulf.

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Posted February 19, 2013 at 12:09pm
keeping bass

I am not against keeping bass. I just feel like they should have a chance to spawn before being harvested.. especially in a place that is affected often by natural disasters. we need fish of spawning size for seed. if you want to load the freezer go somewhere else where there is no MLL. and heck, I enjoy catching 50-100 bass a day

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Posted February 19, 2013 at 12:36pm
Welcome to the party

What you're saying is exactly what me and JB have been saying since day 1. This study is neither accurate nor complete, and for this reason in my response to LAW&F I asked that if they do indeed decide to change regulations that they make three separate changes. Have a place where there is no limit, a 5 O/U, and a place where the 14MLL remains. After a few years people would have a better understanding and this could help LAW&F do research with minimal cost.

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Posted February 19, 2013 at 1:58pm
study

I would be in favor of a study like that.. just dont know how they would pull it off.

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Posted February 19, 2013 at 3:35pm
Simple

You would have to put it into effect on bodies of water that cannot be accessed from another. Dealing with the spillway is a little difficult due to the fact you could always launch at one place and make the LONG drive to another. To this I would say an agent would need to be posted at each landing during peek times to ensure the regulations were being followed. Whichever landing you launch at is the regulations you should have to follow during the test period. It doesn't matter where you go only where you return. Launch at Sorrel and run to Pigeon? Still have to follow Sorrel regulations while the testing phase is underway.

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Posted February 19, 2013 at 3:46pm
problem

problem with that is that say sorrel is no min size... that wont keep someone from running all the way south to limit up and run back north to the landing... then its a pointless study bc the fish down south are still being affected

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Posted February 19, 2013 at 4:33pm
To a certain degree

Most anglers wouldn't have the capacity, or even want to go through the trouble, of launching in Sorrel and getting to Verret. It's not perfect and I readily admit that. The mechanics would definitely have to be thought out some more.

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JB
Posted February 19, 2013 at 5:51pm
Regs

You already have 3 almost separate areas; Henderson, Verret and the Spillway (Sorrel to the river south of Doiron's). As for people putting in at Sorrel and running to an area with a different size regulation, we already have that. People, tournament anglers, run from the Spillway to Bayou Black, and even Venice. That is launching at a ramp where there is a 14 inch requirement and running to an area with no requirement. It is simple to enforce, wherever you launch, THAT are the rules you must follow. Same as it is now.
As for Verret, you draw a line at the river, or the Amelia Bridge.

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Posted February 19, 2013 at 7:54pm
Exactly what I originally stated

People with big tanks are going to run wherever they want anyway. Only way to enforce it is have agents at the landing enforcing rules for that landing. As of now this is the best sampling method I've been able to think of. It takes out all the testing that they've done in select areas and actually gives anglers the option to see the effects of the regulations first hand in the affected areas.

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Posted February 20, 2013 at 8:42am
new study

well i would feel more comfortable with them getting rid of the MLL around henderson bc you dont really have a lot of options to run wayyyy down south. if you put it around sorrel then the fish on the south end will be affected and the numbers will be flawed. you could do a 12' MLL on the south end (sorrel-hwy90) and keep the 14' MLL on verret side and see what happens. i'd be for that. anyone that couldnt see that as being a beneficial study would be a moron.

and as far as people running from Doirons to BB, lake cat, or venice.... thats tourney guys. and they have to abide by the 14' MLL and they dont want small fish anyway. but I get what yall are saying

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JB
Posted February 20, 2013 at 9:06am
MLL

B - Although I do not completely agree with my last post, I would rather see that then an all out free for all on bass. Anything would be better then what will take place in June.
I really hope that in a few years, everyone can tell me I was wrong and I will be the first to admit I am wrong but sadly, I just don't see where I will be wrong. Even more sadly, I think the vast majority of the people that are for these changes are for them just out of sheer selfishness and the want to have fish in their freezer the easiest, quickest way possible.

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Posted February 20, 2013 at 1:13pm
Damn it

ma caht t'don mon fepe'tin

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Posted February 21, 2013 at 7:09am
Mr. Bob Battistela....

Seems to me he is really not concerened about anything but his own oppinions and is bored and just trying to pick a fight on the internet. Bass in the sink, Bass in the fryer ? Really Dude ? Why ???...Just to poke the Bear would be the reason.....Some of us do enjoy a good fight, Me I am one that enjoys it as well but prefer it one of two ways....Either with someone that is smart enough to have a decent argument with and the other would be in the form of a good physicle challenge...Neither happening here now....Me I will continue to let um go because thats what I do....

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Posted February 21, 2013 at 1:15pm
Correction

**physical** ... sorry, but this seems to be a popular thread, so I had to put something right?

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Posted March 16, 2013 at 12:48am
June Change?

I have read the study on the WLF website, but I must be missing something. I did not see anywhere about a regulation change even though the study is suggesting it. I personally do not agree with taking away the 14 MLL until they do more research, but the way JB is talking its already set to be lowered. Correct me if I am wrong please.

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JB
Posted March 16, 2013 at 8:41am
Spillway

It is set to be lowered. 120 days from the Commissions decision. Puts it at the end of June.
It is not yet set in stone as they are using this 120 day period as for comment. I know it's possible it could be overturned but I'm not holding my breath. Too many people are foaming at the mouth already.

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