The food has to out ten days prior to hunting season.
http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/publication/35915-migratory-game-bird-regulations-2012-2013/waterfowl_2012-2013-1.pdf
BAITED AREA means any area on which salt, grain, or other feed has been placed, exposed, deposited, distributed or scattered, if that salt, grain, or other feed could serve as a lure or attraction for migratory game birds to, on or over areas where hunters are attempting
to take them. Any such area will remain a baited area for 10 days following the complete
removal of all such salt, grain or other feed.
There is no legal way to hunt over bait. The rule as stated above makes it very simple to not bait. Once all the bait has been REMOVED it is then 10 days before you can hunt it. If you have ducks coming to an illegal food source(bait) and you have had all removed(determined by WLF)for atleast 10 days why would ducks continue to come? They will have moved on to where there is food. You do not want to have WLF determine whether or not a field is still baited. Our own deceased sheriff of Jefferson parish had this same issue hunting doves in another state. You will not win and ducks are a federal bird which means federal court. DO NOT TAKE THE CHANCE.
I heard a story of a guy sinking a long pole that he had the top painted bright red. He would bait his land year round around this pole. The ducks got used to seeing this red pole as a sign of food. When hunting season came he moved the pole to a non baited pond. The ducks saw his red pole and poured into his hunting spot. He was eventualy charged somehow and was in legal trouble after this. So i would be really careful.
I'm sure you have heard the old adage of believing 'half of what you see and none of what you hear'. Don't rely on what you hear; go to the source.
http://www.fws.gov/le/waterfowl-hunting-and-baiting.html
There are phone numbers at the bottom of the page if you have questions of the USFWS.
If you want to confirm with LDWF, contact numbers for our Enforcement personnel can be found at: http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/contact-your-regional-enforcement-office
i share in your greif brother!!! i never understood that either. we will never understand because it doesnt make a bit of sense to us since we dont own a farm in southwest louisiana and other areas. we are second class hunters just trying to kill a few birds and pass on the family tradition to our younguns. bottom line is , the wealthy do not want competition .
Because growing grain is providing habitat and dumping grain is baiting. It is as simple as that.
When you grow a field of grain, you are manipulating the environment to produce habitat components for wildlife. There is a discrete amount of food produced and it is distributed as it was grown. That grain is available day and night to anything that wants to eat it, and when it is gone, it is gone. The stalks and leaves provide cover and substrate for invertebrate foods also distributed as its produced, available 24/7, and when it's gone, it's gone. The hunter has to hunt that habitat.
The exact same thing can be said of moist-soil management, food plot development, forest thinning, or virtually any other wildlife management practice.
Baiting is NOT the same. Bait is dumped in discrete locations to attract game to hunter. It provides only 1 habitat component instead of many. It is often distributed on a schedule to allow maximum use by specified species, and when it is gone, it is replaced with a never-ending supply.
Agree or disagree, those differences provide some of the foundations of current baiting regulations.
The difference regarding the laws is that ducks, doves, etc are considered migratory birds and their regulation is controlled by the Feds. Deer are local and thereby regulated by the individual states.
I agree that there are similarities between baiting for both and I'm sure there are some valid reasons. Also note that many states do not allow baiting for deer. I believe the current figure is that less than half of the 50 states allow deer baiting.
I heard of a guy that let some cows in a flooded rice field to trample all of the rice and make it fall off of the stalk. He was told this is not illegal.
In the same breath it is illegal for a human to shake it off into the water.
Lots of grey area. If the outcome is the same it should all either be illegal or legal.
Running cows into a field for the purpose of dispersing grain is illegal.
Read it for yourself at: http://www.fws.gov/le/waterfowl-hunting-and-baiting.html under 'What is Illegal?'
It clearly says:
'•Unharvested crops that have been trampled by livestock or subjected to other types of manipulations that distribute, scatter, or expose grain.'
Arguably, there is not the database supporting the need to require non-toxic shot for dove hunting that there was for waterfowl hunting.
But don't worry, if the inconsistency of shooting lead at doves in the same fields that you must shoot non-toxic shot at waterfowl bothers you so much (and it is indeed an inconsistency), there is a solution ...... and it is NOT allowing lead shot to be used for waterfowl.
Year's ago you did not here of any one hunting in rice frields. It is a big money marking ,and when you have a lot of it - it talks You tink for one min. that they don't add more rice in ther frield. Funny they never run out of ducks the hole year. No fed.or LDWF will check them, how can they o i found rice in your rice frield.You r right it is not fair they flood ther frields just in time for duck hunting.The LAW is you can not LURE duck in they kill more ducks than any one of us. I think we should b able to but rice and only rice in our water.that my frind would b fair. And it any one kill over the limit. Make it a BIG--BIG fine.RICE IN WATER R WATER IN RICE Same o Same o Like it r not.
Mr Gaspard, with all due respect, we have been hunting rice fields since before I was born. We do not bait them with rice(FEDS can tell dumped rice). I love to fish specks and reds. The fact is your area makes our fishing pale in comparison. That is just the breaks of geography. It accomplishes nothing to be jealous of each other. Baiting is illegal, live with it.
proplem is is that every time we say something about not being able to feed the rice field hunters jump in and tell us off ohhhhh we soooo jeolus ohhhh just get over it, you know what we aint talkin to you, we are glad you guys can hunt over rice, we are trying to get these thick headed game wardens to let us put rice because the ducks like it and we like ducks.
It's a fine line that has many reasons. Mr. Reynolds said it best. FYI I ONLY HUNT STATE LAND. Yet I love it! There's millions of acres in Louisiana for the taking. You can chase them all over the state for less than the price of a rice field. From hot spot to hot spot, have better experiences and kill limits. The rewards are way better not to mention sight seeing. Birds fly no matter what and contrary to belief the rice fields aren't always loaded. Make the best of your situation while you still have the right! Trust what I tell ya! Happy hunting, be safe out there.
You can hunt over flooded rice fields Because you are hunting over a food source that is designed for agricultural purposes and not specifically for Waterfowl attraction... BUT!!!! You CANNOT hunt over rice fields if it has been altered with anything other than agricultural equipment.. meaning if you run your 4 wheeler to make a circle for your decoys... you are ILLEGAL... all the big rice leases have to have the farmers 'harvest' a few passes next to the levy so they have decoy room int he fields..... I hunt at Grosse Savant in lake charles sometimes and have talked to the farmers about it because i asked the same question........ hope that helps.
Oh and also,
You can hunt over anything that is a naturally occurring growth, meaning that if you plant millett last year and it grows back without any assistance by agricultural means, than it is legal to hunt over as well...
the fact is... rice fields DO NOT always have ducks.... i hunt all over and there are times when we wont set foot in the rice fields because the ducks are in the marsh and vice versa... ducks migrate! Not a single duck has a two story condo in any rice field in Louisiana... ive been on many hunts where people normally pay $10000+ a year to lease the blind ive hunted in and yet.. we scratch. It happens everywhere.... And as for farmers being able to hunt over rice.... ITS THEIR FARM! How can anyone say they should be able to just go hunt a place simply because they have ducks.... are you going to pay his $250,000 a year fuel bill that the farmer incurs from working that farm (and no, im not exaggerating that number)? I know i sure cant... IM not trying to bash anyone or step on toes i just think that everything has its ups and downs.... killing ducks consistantly depends on being mobile, bottom line. The pressure up north and the impact that the commercial hunting industry has put on our beloved sport has forever changed waterfowl hunting as we know it in Louisiana.... dont believe me? States are heating ponds, turning agricultural leases into strictly waterfowl clubs and leaving food until well after our season closes, the ducks have no reason to come down other than the remembered act of migrating. I can tell you that i made a trip last february to Kentucky for training and several times i passed flooded corn fields in tennessee and Kentucky literally full of mallards......In FEBRUARY!!! Im a little nervous as to where the sport is going and more than sad to say the least. Hope my vent did not offend... good luck this year guys. Corey D
not offended as i said goooood for them if i had a rice feild i would be a hunting fooool. Dont care, the fact of the matter is there is rice, which ducks eat, which makes them fat, I want in. lol. dont bring money into the matter, has nothing to do with it. here we go ill spend $100,000 dollars in rice and get me an agracultural licencse and fill my saltwater pond to the bream to see if it grows, ohh by the way Ill have to suck it up and drag my tired but out of bed early in the morning to go kill those pesky ducks to keep them out of my invesment, shucks. Hey like i said dont get mad man, I just want in too.
hey duck inticer i never did beleive in the whole lead poisoning thing on the ducks, just an over rated political law. Hey my grandfather is 88 years old still hunts, and was asked by his doctor during an exray about 25 years ago if he had ever been shot in the stomach by a shotgun, lol he says no why? doc says you a bunch of lead pellets in your stomach lol. Years of eating lots of ducks LOL. Hey it isnt any more dangerous than people smoking, but they aint gonna ban that ay? That being said they make a steel shot field load one once 7 1/2 shot in winchester now, its all i use for pooldo, cheap at $5 a box, its pretty deadly cause you pretty much get a head shot every time cause there are so many bb's try em they alright.
I hunt the marsh, and am not upset we can not bait. There is alot of things you can do to improve your marsh and to get vegitation growing like widgion grass. The grass will also feed alot more ducks then just some grain spilled on the ground. And how can you not get into the money part? If the farmers land is just sitting there not making any money why not let someone hunt the feild for 5,000 a year . that will pay fopr alot of fuel. Marsh hunters get off your ass and make your marsh right.The rice farmers work year around on theres not for ducks but to feed there family
Why are there any other rules (baiting, trapping, shooting hours, live decoys, group bag limits, 3-shots in the magazine, etc.) if a daily bag limit takes care of it all?
Simple, because our hunting regulations are 1) set to maximize harvest while maintaining a target population size, and 2) set based on the kill we expect from similar regulations in the past. If anything, whatever it may be, leads to increased hunter-success and thus a larger total kill compared to the past, then the season length needs to be reduced.
If every waterfowl hunter (about 1-million) killed a limit of ducks (6 per day) for every day of the season (60-days), then we would kill 360 million ducks and we'd only have 1 duck season before we'd 'kill em all'.
So the daily bag limit does NOT do everything, and you are NOT allowed to do whatever you want as long as you stay within the 6-bird daily bag limit. That is done for both conservation reasons, and to distribute the harvest among hunters.
We could drop all regulations except for the daily bag limit, and what would be the result?
The anticipated big increase in kill would force us to have a MUCH shorter duck season to maintain overall kill within the allowable amount to maintain the duck population into the future. That is NOT desirable when most hunters can not hunt every day. In fact for most of us, a 60-day season with a split usually means about 10 weekends and a couple of holidays of hunting.
So the daily bag limit is NOT the be all and end all for duck harvest regulations. It is the total kill that drives the system. The array of regulations (season length, bag limit, shooting hours, baiting, live decoys, etc.) produces a predictable, manageable total kill.
Had nothing to do with human health.
I'm often tickled at how after 25 years of using non-toxic shot (at least for most places in Louisiana), with the high duck populations, 17 consecutive years of liberal season lengths and bag limits, great seasons and millions of ducks killed ..... some hunters are still griping about the lead-shot ban.
And don't think I haven't heard every argument offered since before my first waterfowl job in 1983.
For anyone that is truly interested in the story, here are 3 publications that pretty much have it covered:
1) http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/resource/birds/pbpoison/ details the historical data collection on lead poisoning, the trend of the problem, and potential solutions.
2) Pages 19-22 of the document at: http://archive.org/stream/leadpoisoningini133ande#page/n3/mode/2up detail the legislative and legal decisions that implemented nationwide non-toxic shot regulations.
3) And the follow-up study after non-toxic regulations had been in effect for 5-10 years at: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3802755?uid=3739688&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101215613903 shows how the lead-shot ban worked.
This is old, old news, but it appears some of our older hunters have not been exposed to it and our younger hunters might appreciate the progression.
Hunting over rice or any HARVESTED GRAIN is not in any way remotely the same as baiting. The grain has been harvested, theres maybe 20 lbs of grain left in a 50 acre field, which is gone by the time the big duck season starts.
Hunting over unharvested crops is illegal, just like baiting. This year, the one pond that had water on my farm, we couldn't hunt because the game wardens said the second crop rice was too ripe (not even hard in the middle, just milky grains). So those of you who say rice fields hunters have an unfair advantage or can get away with anything, have obviously never hunted in a rice field. Personally, I set up 2 blinds every year on my family's rice farm and the only time i hunt them is when I'm to lazy to head to the marsh or I'm trying to kill specks.
Hey- marshunner2005 try gowing Vegitation in salt water. I willing to bet more that half of the ducks for the season or killed in rice fields, just look at the opending weekend post. and that all the way to the end. The law is you can feed but you can not hunt untill a week after the last rice grain is gone. BUT you can hunt over rice field with rice in it.The law said you can not lure duck in.--y do u tind kill all thos ducks feed-feed feed-and more feeeeeeeeeeeeeeed bottom line.I have to drive a 1hr by tk den 30 min. BY BOAT to go hunting wen i have duck ponds in my so call back yard. O i could kill ducks it i feed but then i would B wrong because it is not a rice field. Hunting in salt water will b come a ting of the past. Yes some hunt salt water, gess just y i did the same for years just so i could kill a few ducks.If u were a duck would you come and eat salt and mud no you would stop at the GOLDEN CORRAL..>RICE FIELD>
This is not a d*** measuring contest, if you want to complain about how hard it is to hunt saltwater marsh go somewhere else or quit hunting. Maybe you forgot, but this is the sportsman's paradise, there is plenty of public land with great hunting.
And for everyone pointing the blame at other hunters for doing better, just stop. I hear this every year, if people are not killing in the marsh they automatically assume all the ducks are in the rice and vice versa. I guess you just don't know the daily routine of a duck, but only a small amount of time is spent feeding. Ducks usually hang out on resting ponds, which is just as good of a place to kill them as a rice field. I know this from experience, because although i hunt rice fields i also hunt in 'set aside' fields that were not planted that year, and amazingly enough do just as good in both blinds. You don't need feed to kill birds, you just need water.
Stop bickering and complaining, you're making sportsman look bad
Baiting waterfowl was banned along with market hunting , punt guns, night shooting, spring hunting and various other techniques that are highly effective for killing ducks. As Mr Reynokds points out the regulations are designed to balance opportunities for hunters with maintains healthy duck populations. Last year SW LA looked the surface of the moon and the marshes in St.bernard and plaquinines were loaded with ducks. Weather will ALWAYS be the number one factor in duck hunting success. This year Issac dealt us a blow in the salt marsh but that may be counteracted somewhat by the drought to our north and a winter with a steady stream of cold fronts. Rice fields are not magical places where ducks fly every day, in fact my friends who hunt in SW LA dont kill as many duck as I do in St Bernard. The key in the end is having flexibility to move and follow the birds, that may mean more acerage in a less prime area or scouting public options as back up for your lease. The reality is the rice is not the main attraction in flooded rice fields it's weed seed, green shoots and macro invertebrates . I think if baiting were legal today it would make duck hunting for us by virtue of increasing the ability of hunters to our north to hold ducks. At any rate I believe the law stems from the migratory bird treaty and so would require both houses of congress here and in Canada and Mexico to change the law (good luck with that). There are places in the barataria basIn and cocodrie areas that have transitioned over to basically a pure saline marsh that won't be productive for puddlers anymore if you hunt in an area like that then its probably time to pull up stakes. If you hunt in the brackish marsh and normally have good success the. I do t think this year will be a total bust, ducks will still come the just won't hold as well try to hunt around the fronts and scout to find the most productive spits in your area.
actually buddy you need saltwater for widgeon grass to grow , our marsh was 9 parts last year and big lake was 10 and we have grass like crazy. we actually have to watch it now since we have a flume to keep out saltwater so our marsh does not get completly fresh and kill it all. next is i have hunted ALOT of different locations marsh and rice . i have had alot more terrible days in the rice field than the marsh. marshes are natural flyways to ducks so they are always there. THE other guy was right out of a 50 acre field there is not that much deposited in the field and it dosent take long for geese and ducks to eat that little bit
Wen- I said salt water i mean salt water, Next to Grand Isle LA. have you every fish here. NO GRASS in this Salt Water,just mud and fish. The only ducks we get a lot of r SCAUPS and MERGANSERS be cause they love fish and they don't come down every year. Yes i did move to Fresh water had to that my point.1hr tk drive and 30min. boat ride.Salt water will become a ting of the past for our kids and grand kids. We do have a spot r 2 to hunt were the water is not so saltey but ther r so many hunts you could get shot some do. And after the first weekend with 300 hunters it all over-. no more ducks.
I never hunted a rice field or private land, all public and wma lands. More limits to go around then on one rice field.
Instead of complaining for hours on here, you should be out bird watching, scouting, reading articles.
Learn to move your decoys, your calling, make jerk strings,
I hate when hunters say, it's late season ducks ain't working, it's not the duck that ain't working, it's the hunters not doing thier work,
I drive two hours to 10 mins from the house, hunt marshes to flooded timber kill limits from day 1-60.
Btw learn to hunt the fronts, keep a log book of every hunt,
Makes a difference to how you hunt, birds work different in different weather patterns.......
Final word: learn to hunt cuz my log book has us killing limits 92.675% on 33 hunts
That would be my general characterization of the habitat conditions at the South Farm.
We had hoped to go to construction this summer on a project to 1)install another pump at the north end along with some levee and pipe work to allow us to better manage and flood that end more effectively so we could hunt 8 units throughout the season, and 2) contour unit 3 to allow much better moist-soil management. But we've been hung up with some BS (at least in my opinion) permitting and mitigation issues.
We've got some work to do to set back succession and restore some habitat quality out there. Still, there are some ducks using it already including a nice bunch of redheads we saw the other night.
As I said the bottom of Jefferson, la fourche, and terrebone parish has largely transitioned into a pure saline spartina marsh with no sedges or SAV to attract grays and teal. Unless they bring in a major diversion (with all the negatives that cone with that for oystermsn ect.) in the lower barataria basin ( the golden meadow plan is still on the table as far as I know) that area IS pretty much done for puddle ducks, sad but true. As for the salinity for widgeon grass , it grows in our ponds even when sdlinities are less than 5ppt but if the marsh stays at that low salinity then coontail and hydrilla will outcompete it and come to dominate. My buddies were building blinds near the Biloxi WMA Saturday and saw a lot (hundreds) of grays. Hopefully they will stick around. Good luck to everyone on opening day.
What if tuna migrated from canandian waters every fall, down the east coast of america, around the tip of florida, and wintered in the northern gulf of mexico. Now what if some enterprising businessmen bought a patch of the ocean and built a massive perfect tuna feeding machine right off Miami Beach, warmed the water to perfect tuna temperature, built the perfect underwater tuna environment, and did it so well the millions of tuna didn’t even need or even want to go to the gulf of mexico anymore, and charged lots of money to fish the now fantastic private tuna fishery at Miami. And the entire northern gulf of mexico tuna fishery from Mobile to Texas immediately went out of business---the commercial fishermen gone, the charter fishermen dying, the recreational fishery reduced to a mere fraction of diehards . If the Miami businessmen built it overnight there would be immediate outrage, emergency studies by swarms of government scientists, emergency acts of Congress, lawsuits, injuctions, and pretty quickly a judge somewhere would shut it down because Miami Beach Tuna Charters Inc. had monopolized the industry by unfair trade practices. But, if they had built it a little at a time, say over 20 years, and thus very slowly but surely shortstopped the tuna, they could probably get away with it. Tuna fishing is a huge business, governed by laws of government, laws of supply and demand, and the almighty law of profit and loss .
Now substitute ducks for tuna in the above paragraph. Can you now see ducks as a commodity just like tuna?
All along the flyway commercial duck hunting businessmen are building a giant feeding machine in order to increase profits, and have been for years. While to me there can be no ethical or logical distinction between a hunter placing corn in marsh ponds to increase harvest vs. a businessman pumping water into corn fields to increase harvest, it really doesn’t matter because ethics has very little to do with it. It is capitalism, fair and square.
The feds will eventually have to regulate the business side of duck hunting. Possibly the commercial operations will get so good at their job and so decimate the duck resource that the government will slowly create a commercial quota/recreational quota system similar to the Gulf red snapper program…..which neither commercials nor recreationals seem to like.
Or possibly some unforeseen cataclysmic event, like my giant tuna feeding machine, will result in the government deciding that the commercial harvest of ducks is so decimating the resource at such a unforeseen pace, that they will decide to stop all commercial harvest of ducks. No more pumping water to optimal, precise, biologist monitored, species specific levels, no more “moist soil management”, no more “agricultural practices” that happen to always occur the week before opening day, no more farmers leaving $20k worth of grain on the ground to attract $100k worth of duck hunters. Just duck hunting as it used to be.
But for this last “emergency stop all commercial duck harvest “ possibility to happen there has to be the unforeseen cataclysmic event, drastic increase in verifiable resource stress, and a strong, sustained, unified, organized outpouring of hunter support for the commercial closure of a beloved resource. Of course that could never happen as it is certainly impossible for recretionals to completely shut down a commercial fishery……………..but wait, it did happen, right here in good ole La.! The blackened redfish craze followed by highly effective gill nets decimated the resource to the point that it was completely banned as an emergency test measure …..that emergency ban still in in place today and is certainly very popular with the recreationals.
Well, couple thing here. If these businessmen are getting so good with there giant feeding machines, why is the duck population constantly increasing every year? The federal law is already fairly strict about baiting in my opinion (apparently not everyone else's), I don't see how you can compare hunting harvested fields to using gill nets (huge negative impact on reds and specks). And since when do farmers leave out grain? I've never seen such a thing, and I work on a farm leased by an outfitter so it seems like we would be the first ones to be doing that, but that is just as illegal as baiting. (I would know, game wardens wouldn't let us teal hunt this year)
Or maybe we SHOULD just make it legal for everyone to 'bait'. I promise you, I'd be the first one to unload a cart full of rice right in front of the blind. But then if we had it that way, the ducks probably wouldn't even see my rice because they'd be stuck in the midwest eating all the corn they wanted.
But then again, perhaps you're correct. Maybe we should start a petition to completely ban hunting in any type of agricultural field. People are already complaining about how crowded public land is, I wonder how that would be affected? And since no pressure would be put on the ducks in the fields, they would have no reason to go to the marsh in the first place. So I think you get my point, the government is not going to ban commercial hunting ag fields because it would shift the entire equilibrium of field hunting and marsh hunting(not because is a big $ maker).
Maybe I'm just not getting what you're saying, so what exactly would be your realistic proposal?
In the northern part of Louisiana the rice fields play a big part in keeping local birds around and attracting new migration birds to land and feed.
I live in lafourche parish and travel to Concordia parish to go slam mallards and greys in timber wholes which is a 2-3 hour drive. Without the pressure of people hunting the rice fields you will not see many ducks! Without pressure in the rice/ag fields you can count on a big decrease in number of ducks in your marshes.
Do hunters in middle to northern LA have a place like the atchafalaya to hunt in a awesome marsh land? Do hunter in Louisiana have flooded corn fields like in the northern states?
It's different hunting styles, no matter where you go hunt it is still hunting. We all throw decoys, call, shoot.
Yeah living in grand isle with a lot of salt and no feed is no good I feel sorry for you. Same as people in New York that hunt they only shoot scouters sea ducks.
Or you can come hunt lake boeuf, which is the prettiest duck habitat that you will ever see but the poodo hunters drive out every duck in the place, after that there are 1,000 people hunting it every weekend. And 90% of them can't hunt. It when my dad tells me stories of killing mallard in swamp behind the house by the 100's a year. The swamp is over taken by non native grass. Now that is sad!!!
ok here is the simplest way i can put it. we do have ducks in our salt water ponds. but because of the mass erosion they are scattered, to much area for them to spread out making it look like there are small numbers. put just a little feed in a pond rounds em up a lil better so you can kill a few more. Plain, simple. I gave up one of my leases because the guy next to me was putting couple sacks of feed a week in his pond and he would only hunt weekdays, it was hurting me as he was rounding em up i saw it it works. with all the erosion the ducks are there but in very small groups. there is just so much area for them to land. again not jelous of the rice field guys at all, just want be able to have a little edge in my bottom of my pond as they do. no hard feelings.
come on guys we're all Louisiana hunters here we needa stick together and blame Arkansas and the rest of the states along the central flyway for flooding the corn fields. I say we get a big camo mob together and go burn their fields and ride off in the sunset, we can even get admiral to be our general
Before the season You could bait and considered dated one week after the last grain is gone
Meaning you can't hunt until a week after the last grain is gone!