Samu, unfortunatly those are old deer. one is at least 51/2 and the other is 31/2-41/2yrs old, not enough pics yet to tell who he is. All of our 11/2 deer are spikes and 21/2 yrs are long spikes. 31/2 yr old have about 14' spreads and 8pts, so any deer with bases over 4in for us is 41/2 or older deer. The older of these is for sure 4'+, but the smaller is on the edge. Looks like a really good 31/2 to me. We can tell for sure after they bulk up.
Ya, but i see a pretty droptine in that last pic that might be a nice buck when he's older.
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