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Because thoses Bucks are worth as much or more then Cattle
YOW, thats a nice feeder.
I made a hunt in Texas a few years ago and the deer were like cattle. They even had names for the bucks and a price for each one if you shot it. you could only hunt with a guide and he would tell you which one to shoot and the cost. The shoot houses even had heaters and lounge chairs.
I would never do that again, not my style.
deer hunting is just getting out of hand. there should be laws against the unnatural breeding of deer and shooting deer inside of a fence. i know its just a matter of time before some millionaire buys our lease and turns it into a petting zoo, hopefully i'm dead and gone before it happens.
but whats even dumber is the idiots that pay the absurd amount of money to go shoot these pets. why not just go into a cattle pen and shoot a cow? they taste better than a deer any way
I agree clefeb 100% . Deer meat is great ! But if you can afford to buy a deer ... Buy a cow or pig for eating , hands down its way better . If its the horns you like , buy a replica ?? Do they make that in deer yet ?
I Understand everyone has different interest and if you have the money you can buy whatever you want . What is the thrill in paying to shoot a deer in a pen ? I'm not too crazy about how they shoot those stupid bears on tv either .. After they shoot the bear over the baited barrel , they're high fiving the camera man ! Wow huh ... If your wanting a thrill , jump out the stand on the bears back and kill it with a knife !!
I agree if the pen is 40 acres or so that isn't exactly Hunting per say. There is some Hi-Fenced areas that they do know there deer really well because the individuals are paid to monitor these animals.
Now if you have a 2 to 3000 acre hi-fenced pen there is no way that isn't fair chase. These deer are just as wild as if they have grown up in a Public Wildlife Management area with a Bunch of Coon A$$es every 100 ft apart up a tree with 2 guns each. Some people do it for the money and provide a pleasurable hunt for someone that doesn't feel safe going to public land and taking there son or daughter on a hunt. Another plus with a HI-Fence is it keeps the trash deer out so a person can manage there herd. I don't not see anything wrong with it if you have the money, dont have your own land, scared of public land due to the idiots that are out there and want to have a pleasurable time.
With all this said i have never hunted a HI-Fence, Free Range Only. I have been to several but have never picked up a gun. These deer act no different then they do where i hunt in Good Old La.
But that's my Opinion.
Whatever kind of place this is ... I would make the stand on top the roof of the feed trough . Lasso would be weapon of choice .
I agree that would be a good spot, you could see them coming from every direction!
Laughing my tail off!
What exactly is a trash deer??? is it a deer that you cannot eat?? deer herds can be managed without a fence. people put up these fences and ship in these retarded lookin unnatural deer from a farm with rockin chairs on top their head and release them into their pen... i dont understand how somebody can get a kick out of killing a huge deer when every deer inside of their fence is huge, then they want to brag about it thinking they did something heroic.
about the public land- the people that are doing this have enough money to buy or lease their own property so their is no need for them to hunt on public land, therefore, the sissies should be safe in their heated mansion of a box stand and not be bothered by the 'crazy coonasses with 2 guns each in every tree.' btw those coonasses forgot more about hunting than people like this will ever know about it, so they're not the ones to be scared of.
take down the fence, let the deer breed naturally, let them roam freely, let mother nature take its course... do you realize how much greater of a feeling it is to kill a nice buck (that you may not even know existed) once every 5 years or so, compared to killing 1 or 2 huge bucks every year that you know are there bc you paid to have them put in your fence?
Clefeb , not everyone has the same values in hunting and fishing as others . Obviously someone that pays big money to shoot a monster buck isn't hungry .
Take someone who hires a fishing guide ... If they could catch fish , do you think they would hire a guide ? If so , why ? That would be the same as hiring someone to drive you to the grocery store .
I have nothing against people who pay to kill a trophy buck or pay for a guided fishing trip . So ... If they feel like they are real sportsmen for doing this , oh well .
The best thing you can do I guess is encourage these daredevils to get out there and experience actual real life hunting and fishing for themselves . Because its a much better feeling when you can kill a nice deer or catch a nice mess of fish in the wild on your own .
coupic man you have a good point. As I stated before I went on one of these hunts on a fenced ranch and I really had to laugh at some of the people there. They wouldn't last 10 minutes in the swamps of la or the thickets of Miss or Ala. Their $2000 guns and ironed camo suits.But thats their bag and not mine. to each their own.
you're right choupiq... i think its a disgrace to hunting, but i guess some ppl see differently, we weren't all brought up the same... not many things bother me but this is something that does... i understand its not about food any more and if we dont kill a deer we're def not going to starve, i just hate to see traditional ways coming to an end
Choupic man, you had a good point about the shows showing shooting of black bears feeding from feeders and the hunter getting all exciting about shooting it. The sad part is they don't even eat the bears. as my dad used to say, IF YOU CAN'T EAT IT DON'T SHOOT IT
Clefeb I've killed quite a few deer and loved each and every time I was successful . My biggest deer to date is a whopping 7 pt ! Lol My 13 yr old son killed a 8 pt. year before last . That was awesome , but I will go to my grave before I pay to shoot a deer .
Deerman I was unaware that they didn't eat the bear . My dad made me eat everything I killed except for animals I trapped . Most of the nutria he made me cook for my dogs .. Lol that was embarrassing when my friends came over and asked what was I doing . The coon meat I sold along with the hides . But he would tell me if I killed something and didn't eat it , that would be considered a sin .
Let me tell all of you that this is free ranging deer my buddy has in Illinios that we go hunt every year nothing in fences I don't hunt them places.He has several farms that he grows crops on and man the deer get huge and have great genetics to as you can see if you saw last years pics to you would have seen that to.
With all due respect duck Commander ... With all the photos you've posted from the same feed trough , nothing is under 150 inches . In one photo you have 3 mega bucks from 180 to 200 inches . Not saying all that is impossible , but c'mon man ! That is not open land . Now I have seen a few monster bucks in small pens behind people's houses and stuff . But not 10 or 12 mega bucks eating out the same trough and not be a deer farm .
Give me a break dude !
A trash deer or cull can have many different meanings, but to your remark i was not referring it to be not edible. A trash deer on one mans land may not be on the other mans land. It all depends on what you are trying to do with your herd of deer. I grew up in good old Louisiana and was raised right in the old fashioned way. My dad and grandpa taught me everything about hunting and fishing. How to clean a deer, squirell rabbit etc and i can tell you one thing there was no meat wasted. I remember once i stayed with my grandpa one friday night, we got up saturday morning bright and early to go to the feed store to pick up some chicken feed. We pulled up at the back of the feed store and The guy that does the loading a was in back cleaning catfish. Me and my grandpa walk by him. Then my grandpa stopped for a second turned around and look at that guy and said hey man you cleaning them fishing wrong, you wasting to much meat. So my grandpa showed him the correct way to skin one and get allot more meat out of it. I'll never forget that.
Back to the HI-Fence deer, these are generally owned by people with-out the worry of running out of money. I am not a rich guy, i have plenty of friends that are and do own a couple of these hi-fence ranches. You are correct that allot of these guys that hunt these would mess there selfs if they had to rough it in a swamp or a briar thicket to go find a tree to climb and wait all day on a deer. There is a few things you need to take into consideration, 95% of these people are city slickers if you will. They don't know how to really hunt or didn't grow up as we did. The closet they ever came to a stroll in the woods is at a park. Not all guys that hunt this hi-fences are like this but most of them are. I dont bash these guys or cut them, they are just as excited to be able to give there money for a good deer as we are to go pay our membership fees for the camp and get to hang out with the boys around a fire. What is traditional to us, may not be traditional to them.
The first time i got involved in a Hi-Fence hunt was when a person i knew told me about a hunt in texas, where the owners were having a free hunt for the disabled. I entered my brother and he somehow won a hunt. We went and had a great time, I am 38 yrs old and he is 42, but menatlly as if he were around 7 0r 8 yrs of age, this was about 4 yrs ago roughly. These guys at the ranch treated everyone with respect and this was a hi scale place and we just showed up with our regular country boy attire. He killed a nice 10 point that scored 142 3/8's. The whole hunt didnt cost us anything but the gas there and back.
Hi-Fence areas do have there pros and cons i guess. But, if you have the money and want to do it get after it, Each to his own, is what i say.
I prefer hunting behind my house myself in the thickets, that's my kind of hunting.
Let me ask all of you something that has had a comment, lets just say Bass Pro Shop calls you up and says hey sir, you have won a free hunting trip to King Ranch in south Texas to Kill a animal of your choice. All expenses paid, fuel to and from the ranch, all food, i mean it wouldnt cost you a dime for anything. Remember this is a Hi-Fenced Ranch though.
So which of you wouldn't go,that is the question?
As I stated before I have been on one of these hunts because it was given to me. It was an experience because I love to be in the outdoors and I enjoy seeing deer. No way would I pay the $2500 Plus to go on 1 hunt, but that is me. I can see if you have never been hunting and really don't enjoy the outdoors (hunting to me is being in the outdoors and I really don't care if I kill a deer) and have plenty of money, sure do it, but not me. As far as the money I spend more than $2500 a year to hunt.
To answer your question .. That would be a hard decision . I've complained like to my wife and made fun of these hunters with my son on occasion about how they hunt the black bears and the mule deer and different animals on tv . Mainly about how they go to a baited barrel for the bear and Ted nuggent takes the cake . Lol he says call of the wild ??? He's sitting in a huge box stand big enough to play basketball in with an axis deer 10 feet from him . You can see the well worn roads from probably feed carts ! Now , the guys who chase the mountain goats around the mountains , that is the real deal . I get a kick out of how winded they get while they're guide is 100 yds in front of them going strong up the mountain.
I don't think I could shoot a big elk or a buffalo and probably not a mule deer . It's just not a natural thing for me . I would have more pleasure in just being able to see them in the wild in person .
A whitetail deer in Texas I would probably do . But in a high fence ... Hell no . And only if it were free !
I also like just going to the stand and if I see a deer that's great if I don't that's fine also. Talking of the money I spend approximately 2500-3000 on food plots, feed etc. every year. We have about 600 acres that myself, dad and brother hunt on only and it is not hi-fenced, all free range deer. Like i said i dont get into the hi-fence hunting either just like to look at those big jokers if they appear. Sometimes they do and sometimes they dont show up. I have seen a many of a guy leave these ranches with there hat in there hand and not a set of horns.
I dont like seeing those guys kill those bears myself thats kind of pathetic to me, where on the same page with that.
Also, Uncle Ted Nugent takes the cake. That joker will kill anything and everything. I do not watch his shows at all. He is so full of B.S. on how he does things it unreal.
Tred barta was the man , as far as tv goes . His motto was , 'I like to do things the hard way ' ! Lol and he did , he didn't kill the monster deer or catch the most fish but I could relate a lot better with him . He did most of his hunting with the recurve bow , the old fashioned way and I really enjoyed watching his shows .
I wondered what happened to him for the longest and didn't know until one day I heard his name on tv . Well they showed him laying in a hospital bed shooting the tv with the lil stickem arrows . Man i felt so bad for the guy and don't even know him . He caught some crippling disease and was paralyzed from the waist down . I'm not totally sure what he has . But now he's still hunting but only out of a wheel chair . Sad , he's still doing things the hard way but now just a lil harder . Just goes to show you the difference in real men and real sportsmen !!
I dont guess i ever heard of him. I am going to look him up though. He Sounds like the real deal for sure.
I honestly would not go... unless i was tagged out on my lease or the season was closed where i hunt. i wouldnt go even if it wasnt fenced in, i want to kill the deer on my lease that i put time and effort in trying to kill. if i left to go hunt somewhere else, the only thing that would be on my mind is wondering if somebody else on our lease killed the deer i was after. i dont want to shoot a deer that somebody else has scouted and have somebody place me where i need to be to shoot him. i get offered all the time by friends to go hunting with who have wayyy better hunting land and kill much bigger deer than i do, but i never go. there's way more to it than just shooting the deer that makes hunting great. i understand some people see differently so theres no point in even arguing about it, but thats not the point im trying to make. all im trying to say is that fences should not be allowed and deer should be left to breed naturally and roam freely.
Yeah, i know what you mean on that. We have private family land that 3 of us hunt which has 6 stands. All 3 of us have 1 spot that we claim as our own personal stand. When rifle hunting season is going i stay in my spot instead of bouncing around to another stand. I've tried that before a few times and end up sitting at the other stand thinking man i wish i would of stayed in my spot i bet old big boy is over there right now.
I also am a member of a camp in Hamburg Arkansas that i pay way to much money to member of due to the quality of deer that are there to be taken. A monster for Hamburg, at least the club i am in would score maybe 110 or 120. Dont get me wrong that's still a fair buck. Just not a shoor enough wall hanger. Also, the hunting season at home inter-fears with the Arkansas hunting season due to there going on close to the same time. I end up spending the money on the camp at arkansas every year and not even going up there a whole lot. Plus i have the ole lady griping at me at the money i spend on it and not up there much. But, it shoor is nice to drive just 45 min and get away for a weekend or something like that to hang out with your buddys.
What yall think of this buck that came from North East La?
Another post where somebody claims there the better hunter because of this or that. Question.
Who's less of a hunter? A guy who hunts a 3000 acre hi fenced ranch, or a guy that sits on a right of way with his buddies waiting on his dogs to run deer by him?
Never done either, but I say killing on a high fence 3000 acre is harder than waiting on a dog to run deer by.
It all depends i guess. Each type has its pros and cons. Guess its what ever you prefer to do. I have never hunted deer with dogs. I have seen it done by others though. You probably have a better chance at taking a shot at a deer if dogs are running. But, that depends on if there are many deer in the area i guess and you would have to be a pretty good shot i would think to pop a deer off a horse.
If your still hunting its just a waiting game to see if they will appear that day. Cause, you never know.
My theory is when its your time to kill its your time. Thats the way i have always thought. I do know a man that gets good deer every year or maybe 2 or 3 and i dont know how he does it. He still hunts also. I believe that fellow could climb a light pole in walmart parking lot at high noon and kill a 160 class.
Hunting deer with dogs is not an actual skill , it's more like winning at the roulette table . Deer do run certain patterns and you can up your odds at seeing one and possibly getting a shot by knowing where they may run . Running dogs is hunting , but also a social gathering and a hunt .
Hunting over bait is hunting , cheating a lil ... I cheat on occasion .
Finding a buck in the wild and hanging a stand , and killing the buck you were hunting , is really deer hunting .
Paying to kill a deer in a controlled environment (high fence) is NOT hunting , whether you have to wait a long time or not .
Just my opinion ... If this offends you , then it was meant to .
Big red that's an awesome buck dude ! Two main beams on one side ! Kind of uncommon but still a beautiful buck ! Was that on your lease ?
No offense taking at all. Just asked a question. Grew up in Texas, and still hunt there to this day. The son of a welder and stay at home mom, I promise we didn't have the money to hunt high fence. Now my uncle is a salesman for a major oil service company and takes customers out. He tells me about how they show pics o=the night before of the deer you will shoot. Then when its light enough, they'll have you get your gun ready because they know exactly what bush he will step out from behind.
I do wish I had a dollar for every time in my 15 years living over here I had someone assume I hunt hi fence because I had a lease in Texas. I just laugh and explain you could fit La. in Texas 5 times, do you really think the entire state is high fenced? Some do though.
I will be giving Indian Bayou and Sherburne a go with my bow this year. Can't wait!
Sounds like a curse word ! Lol I only have 25 yrs to go before I get to retire !! Counting down the days .
We do all our outdoors out of a boat , rabbit , deer , duck sometimes , and squirrel . My son told me yesterday that he can't wait to run hoop nets . He knows we run hoop nets during the winter and if we're running nets , it's hunting season too . So during hunting season we're never home and my wife hates hunting season ! Lol
It doesn't really matter to me what they do above I-12 , or how they hunt . All I know is we like how we hunt and if we kill a big deer that's good , if not we still going to have meat .
Good luck on the WMAs ! I'll probably take my son to three rivers during youth weekend .
Wasn't on my land. I do have pictures of him in velvet and a few right before rifle season began. However, a guy a know shot this deer a couple miles from where i hunt. I heard about it and went a took a few pictures. Wish i would of got him though. We also had a big 11 point that my dad missed during muzzle loader season. Shot over his back and made him sick. The very next day a guy that hunts land which borders ours was walking to his stand around 3 or so and that same deer my dad missed, jumped up, stopped about 50 yards from him broad sided and that was the end of him.
My dad was sick after he really got a good look at the buck he missed looking at in the back of the old guys truck.
But, thats hunting and the way it goes sometimes.
I am going to upload a pic of the buck sorry for the white spots on the photo. I had to erase some a few things that was in the photo. I dont want the old man to get in trouble incase someone sees this photo on here and recognizes.
I know the feeling your dad had ! I had the buck of a life time get away from me once . I did knock him down but he got up and ran off . Blood trailed him for two days and then quit . For three weeks after that I went back looking for buzzards , with no luck . Its been 10 or 12 years since that happen and i still think about it from time to time .Very sickening feeling ! Indescribable !
Nice buck in back of the truck