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New Draft Article on 15% Ethanol Gas

Hello readers. It's been awhile since I've posted on Sportsman. Some of you may NOT be aware that EPA's approved 15% ethanol gas (E-15) will be showing up in stations soon, most likely before the end of this year for sure. I've drafted an article for my website (PeteLandrysRealGas.com) and for newspapers in an attempt to inform and educate the public about this new fuel. I'd appreciate hearing from you on the article. Again, this is a draft and will likely go through a few more revisions before I finalize it.


15% Ethanol Gasoline May Be in Stations by the End of 2012 By Pete Landry – June 24, 2012

Readers of my website (PeteLandrysRealGas.com) may recall I wrote an article in 2011 about Growth Energy, a lobby group for a large group of ethanol manufacturing plants in the Midwest petitioned the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in early 2009 to increase the ethanol content of motor fuels from the current 10% maximum to 15%, a 50% increase (see the website’s “Ethanol Articles” page for original article titled: “15% Ethanol Gasoline – A Potential Crisis Developing”). The EPA allowed input into this proposal and were inundated with replies, almost all negative. Despite the response, the EPA began testing vehicles with 15% ethanol. In December, 2010, the EPA issued “conditional approval” for the use of 15% ethanol gasoline (E-15) in 2007 and newer cars and light trucks. Then, in January, 2011, they extended the approval to use this new gasoline in 2001 thru 2006 cars and light trucks, despite lawsuits against the EPA from over eight different groups. The biggest concern expressed by litigants was the potential for “misfueling”, or using this gasoline in equipment which was not designed to operate with this fuel.

In the EPA’s approval of this new fuel, they made the following statement on their website:

What Vehicles and Engines MAY NOT USE E-15 ?
• All motorcycles.
• All vehicles with heavy-duty engines, such as school buses, transit buses, and delivery trucks.
• All off-road vehicles, such as boats and snowmobiles (includes four wheelers and jet skis).
• All engines in off-road equipment, such as lawnmowers (all lawn and garden tools) and chain saws.
• All 2000 model-year and older cars (and light trucks).
(Gasoline powered home generators cannot operate on E-15 gasoline either)

The EPA has now completed all regulatory requirements necessary to authorize retailers to sell this new fuel. Ethanol plants have registered to become authorized to sell the ethanol to blenders. It is expected that E-15 may start showing up in retail stations in Louisiana before the end of 2012. It is most likely this new fuel will be sold in major, branded stations (Exxon/Mobil, Shell, Chevron, etc). Independent gas stations, grocery and convenience store have expressed serious concerns about the liability associated with selling this fuel when a customer’s equipment is damaged, exposing them to lawsuits. The EPA indicates that it is VOLUNTARY, NOT MANDATORY for stations to sell this new fuel. Retailers are CAUTIONED NOT to let their gas supplier force them into selling this fuel against their will. Also, many grocery and convenience stores may have older underground storage tanks and pumps which may not be compatible with E-15.

In my continued research of E-15, I have learned that despite EPA’s claim that this new fuel is safe to use in all 2001 and newer passenger cars and light trucks, ALL automobile manufacturers, domestic and foreign alike, warn owners of 2001 and newer passenger cars and light trucks NOT to use gasoline with greater than 10% ethanol and further say that any damage caused by the use of gas with greater than 10% ethanol will void the vehicle warranty! E-15 should NEVER be used in vehicles model year 2000 or older as manufacturers warn that engine damage will likely occur. So, PLEASE read your owners manual carefully before considering putting this fuel in your 2001 or newer car or light truck, despite the EPA claim that it is safe. The ONLY vehicles which may use E-15 without the risk of damage are “Flex” vehicles, which are designed to tolerate all concentrations of ethanol, up to and including E-85 (85% ethanol/15% gasoline).

I am very concerned that despite pump label warnings, some consumers may be tempted to try this new fuel in equipment for which it is NOT designed. It will likely be priced about $0.10/gallon lower than E-10. But, don’t fall for the cheaper price temptation. As a reminder, here is the EPA approved label which EPA requires to appear on all pumps which will be selling 15% ethanol gasoline.

In addition to 2000 and older model passenger cars and light trucks, this fuel is also NOT COMPATIBLE with marine engines (see article on 'Ethanol Articles website page of recent tests of E-15 on marine engines), motorcycles, four wheelers, jet skis, chain saws, all gas powered lawn and garden tools, gas powered home generators and all gasoline powered heavy duty engines like school buses, transit buses and delivery trucks. Use of E-15 in these engines may destroy the engines according to almost all manufacturers and warranties will NOT cover damages.

SO, when you pull up to a gas station and see the above new “E15” label on the pump, the old saying of “BUYER BEWARE” applies………use at your own risk! Use of this fuel in equipment it is not designed for may be very costly and the buyer may not have any recourse for damages that may result!
June 24, 2012 at 11:48pm
11 Comments
abeastandasavage Profile Photo
Posted June 25, 2012 at 10:07am
e-15

pete, if a vast majority of vechicles and hardly no equipment, can't use e-15, why do they even make that junk??? is it just politics, so obama can say, they cut foreign oil imports, another 5%??? i sure wonder about our government sometimes!!!!

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fallen_oak Profile Photo
Posted June 25, 2012 at 10:37am
obummer

You nailed it beast

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abeastandasavage Profile Photo
Posted June 25, 2012 at 11:00am
e-15?

do ya'll even think, the people that own gas stations, will even order this junk, if they can't sell much of it??? i sure wouldn't!!!!

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CaptJS Profile Photo
Posted June 25, 2012 at 11:04am
Louisiana is the problem

If you check the voting records one vote makes the difference and we keep Mary in there to vote enough said. PS Her brother was also elected in NO and look at that place today.

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Cajun-Pete Profile Photo
Posted June 25, 2012 at 4:22pm
It's All About Politics Guys

In response to 'Abeast', the reason for 'E-15' is ALL ABOUT POLITICS fellas! But, the tide is changing in Washington. You may recall I reported late last year that the $0.45/gallon tax credit refineries were getting to blend E-10 expired Jan 1, 2012. As a result, many ethanol plants are in the red, and several have shutdown. Some of the reason is the loss of the tax credits, some related to the economy, and some related to attitudes changing regarding ethanol gas. Several States that previously mandated that all gasoline sold in their State have reversed themselves and removed this mandate.

I try to keep up to date on these issues. Read my posts on 'Current Ethanol News' and 'Pete Landrys Daily Blog' on my website (PeteLandrysRealGas.com).

The point of this article (draft) is to inform and educate Louisiana consumers about this E-15 as it will likely start showing up in stations later this year. It is my opinion that most existing gas stations, grocery and convenience stores will NOT carry E-15 due to high liability risks, plus the pumps and tanks of many older stations may not be compatible with this increased level of ethanol.

I plan to see if I can testify before the Louisiana Commerce Committee next year to see if I can convince them to put a 'cap' on ethanol gas in Louisiana at 10% MAX. Minnesota has such a law on their books.

Stay tuned for more........

'Pete'

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abeastandasavage Profile Photo
Posted June 25, 2012 at 7:33pm
captjs???

landrieus, what a joke, typical politicians!!!

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tide runner Profile Photo
Posted June 25, 2012 at 7:38pm
e 15

do not put that ****** in your fuel tank unless you fish every day. it will eat all your fuel line and eny thing plastic it encounters .. i know e 10 ate holes in my fue line to the point i could smell gas leaking a soon found the problem. looked like bird shot.

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abeastandasavage Profile Photo
Posted June 25, 2012 at 8:18pm
tide runner??

i see you are from florida!! welcome to louisiana!!! down here, we, us coon asses and etc., keep saying, only in louisiana??? what about florida's politics??? do ya'll go thru the same thing as us, or is it, only in louisiana???? do ya'll have honest, caring politicians, unlike us?? i believe, that every state in this country is just like,(only in louisiana)??? i'm just very curious!!! hope you comment!!!

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LUCKY-MAN Profile Photo
Posted June 25, 2012 at 9:21pm
South

We don't like it down here but they love it up north I hunted Missouri last year on the Iowa border and both Missouri and Iowa have signs in the front of there gas stations saying
''we have ethanol in our gas''. I guess it's because they grow it

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Cajun-Pete Profile Photo
Posted June 25, 2012 at 11:39pm
DO NOT PUT E-15 IN YOUR BOAT'S ENGINE!

'TideRunner', it's MUCH WORSE than you think! Marine engines cannot tolerate 15% ethanol gasoline.....AT ALL!

Read an article on my website's (PeteLandrysRealGas.com) 'Ethanol Articles' page. Louisiana Sportsman authorized me to post an article which appeared in Sportsman in December, 2011 on my website. Open the 'Ethanol Articles' page and read the article titled 'Reports show severe damage to marine engines from E15'. Several of the engines tested (150 Hp fuel injected - Mercury and Yamaha) froze up before the test was completed!

DO NOT, REPEAT, DO NOT TRY RUNNING 15% ETHANOL IN YOUR MARINE ENGINE.........IT COULD BE VERY COSTLY, AND IF YOUR ENGINE IS DAMAGED, YOUR WARRANTY WILL NOT, REPEAT, NOT COVER DAMAGES!

Tide Runner, by the way, has Florida retracted a State Law that requires ethanol in ALL gasoline sold in Florida? I know one of your State's Congressman introduced a bill to do that last year, but I haven't heard how it currently stands?


'Pete'

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abeastandasavage Profile Photo
Posted June 28, 2012 at 7:21pm
bump!!

bump!!!!

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