Red drum???? You're kidding right????

it is not a red drum and is not a redfish

it is a black drum, period.

a drum is just a drum and the fraud that is perpetrated daily is the state of louisiana classifying redfish as 'red drum'

real red drum or 'golden drum' as they are refered to have a golden color like redfish do and they are classified only as black drum for the purposes of recording size records.

this is very unfair IMO because black drum and golden drum should have there own seperate class just as white trout and specks are classed seperately.

the irony here is a redfish is nothing like a drum yet it steals the red drum class away from the real and true red drum which is the golden drum.

as to wether it is a record, well its a black drum but it is a pretty big one so it may make the top ten in the record books for black drum

Thanks for the info.

It was 41 inches 47 lbs. That is 120 qt ice chest.

I was guessing it was a black drum but because it had spot and location. I thought it could be hybrid Redrum.

I have seen several over 50# so i would think record is higher.

thank you for being so damn insulting. no one on the planet ever knew that redfish arent the scientific name and redfish are called red drum, oh wait i said that in my post you aparently never read.

if you were a real fisherman you would know there are golden colored drum that ARE NOT REDFISH or the scientific name for them (red drum).

you should find out the truth before you go correcting someone who is not wrong. just because its not in your pretty little book that there is differently colored drum doesnt mean its not true.

you wish to say i am wrong because the book says differently when the point of my post was the book is wrong lol. real fisherman know this wrongly named fish has confused people for years over the difference between a drum and a redfish

let me educate you since you obviously need it, black drum come in 2 colors, light and dark shades of grey and light and dark shades of a golden orange color just like a redfish is colored.

a redfish looks no more like a drum then a house cat is a lion, they are both related but dont look anything alike so the cats are named differently yet the redfish is still called a drum. im only saying they are too different to share the same name and if you are going to call the redfish a red drum then what are you going to call the real red black drum? a fish that is golden orange colored is not black so why call it black.

no im claiming the fraud which is perpetuated daily is in calling a redfish a red drum

Apparently you don't know how to read, because I definitely referred to color variations in my last post. Some red drum have a golden color, and apparently some black drum do too. Wouldn't know, I don't catch very many black drum. But red drum and black drum are two different species. Not understanding the confusion here.

And I'm also not sure what redfish you are looking at, but I think they look pretty damn similar to black drum. Not to mention behavior. They aren't both called drum because they could be twins. They are called DRUM because they make a DRUMMING sound. Gee, who would have thought?

Many fish (and animals in general) have different color variations. Some bass look almost black in some places because of the environment. Same concept drew-b mentioned. So should those bass be a seperate species because they are a different color? Doesn't work that way.

I may not be a fisheries expert, but I know fish. Not sure what you are calling a redfish, but the ONLY REDFISH I know, is the red drum (sciaenops ocellatus).

And as far as your book statements-- WTF dude? I never said anything about a book. Someone has got some serious book issues going on.

Side note: I would just like to appologize to lalocal. Did not mean for this thread to turn into an arguement. Just trying to figure out what this guy is thinking and what the confusion is.

Black Drum = Pogonias cromis
Red Drum (Redfish) = Sciaenops ocellatus
Golden Drum (Polla Drum) = Umbrina xanti
Last one is not found in the Gulf of Mexico but is found in the eastern Pacific.

Most young black drum have black stripes on them . Would they be considered striped drum ? Croakers are also in the drum family and if it weren't for the spot on the tail of a red fish , these two could almost be mistaken for the same fish . All the drum have the same fin orientation and the bottom sucking mouths , even the freshwater goos look the same .

But a black drum is a black drum and a redfish is a red drum and a croaker is a croaker .

I want to see a picture of a 'black drum' that has the orang-ish red color any-wheres close to the color of redfish? Maybe a 'tint' of silver-ish orange but that's it.

keakar - so you're saying that a red drum is not a red fish and a red fish is not a red drum? Now I AM confused!!
I've been looking and everything I can find says differently. Not bashing or attacking you. I'm just asking.

A redfish is a red drum. A red drum is a redfish. Both are the same fish. Anyone who thinks differently has been misinformed. Most people on the northeast coast call them red drum, while everyone down here calls them redfish. Same fish.

ok so all of you are saying a black drum and a redfish are and look EXACTLY the same, the meat tastes the same the texture is the same, and the redfish is short and fat just like a drum is and not long and skinny like every picture of a redfish shows clearly.

i suppose your also saying the big giant head and huge rib cage of a drum is exacltly the same as the redfish is

well i guess every redfish i ever caught was a freak because it wasnt anywhere close to looking the same as a drum

you would have to be drunk to lay a drum next to a redfish of the same length and say they were exactly the same except for the color

i have been cleaning and eating reds and drum for 35 years and they are NOT the same fish with just a color difference, thats all im sayin

golden drum(polla drum) is a freaking croaker

You could say the same for horses . Lay a Shetland pony next to a belgium . They not the same length or width but they're both horses .

A black drum is a black drum whether it's black or striped or even has a reddish tint to it .

keakar - Nobody said that a redfish and a drum are the same thing. We are saying the a redfish and what people call a red drum are the same thing.
I don't think anyone is stupid enough to think that a redfish/red drum is the same thing as what the original poster showed pic of. Even the OP said he didn't think it was a red drum.

I did not see it in person so its a drum not a red.

Thanks for all the good info.

well i agree and thats what i said as well

the aparant problem came when i suggested the name 'red drum' was more fittingly used to describe the drum you catch that are redish orange in color.

the croaker is different enough from a drum to get its own class and i feel the redfish is even more different then the croakers is from the drum yet it the redfish gets named as a red drum which in my mind is an insult to this beautiful fish.

Are in the same family. Sciaenidae. Different genera, but same family.

Thanks for allowing the learning experience MJ. I now feel so much smarter for having read this, Latin and all.

I think the mother of insults of named fish would have to be the crappie ! Where did they pull that name from ??

yall done gave me a f'in head ache

red fish = red drum

golden drum = croaker

sacalait = crappie

bowfin = choupique

blackdrum = catfood

pickle = cucumber

Tuff - I feel the need to expound!
Crappie - Calico bass, papermouth, speck, white perch

Bowfin - Dogfish, grennel, swampshark

thanks jb, i am not afraid to learn something new, when i was 10 i argued with a grown man that no that is a sacalais, no he said it is a crappie, he strung me along then explained it to me hahahaha

I have sometimes heard people refer to sacalait as white perch . About a month ago I learned that a white perch and a crappie are not the same . A white perch looks like a crappie but has no markings and has a mouth like a blue gill . But they are both in the perch family , much like a black drum and a red drum . I guess we learn something every day .

i am lmao at your stupidity

you argue about thingds i did not say then claim im crawfishing when i havent then your proof to claim your high ground is to verify the very facts i stated lol.

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Insult to the beautiful fish? Red drum is it's common name! [/quote]

exactly what i said so you have no point!


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I hope you aren't the guy that claimed to be a marine biologists or oceanographer. [/quote]

so since you have no point to argue you resort to try and dismiss me as some person without credability because of wild acusations. so sad, and no that wasnt me i have no need for attention.

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And while you are crawfishing...this is what you said...

'im claiming the fraud which is perpetuated daily is in calling a redfish a red drum'[/quote]

yes i stated my opinion and still repeat it again, i am not crawfishing at all, i never stated that was the law of the land or it was written in a book somewhere and until you are GOD i do not have to change my opinion to suit you

[quote] A red fish is a red drum, regardless of what you think it should be called...the end. Fin. [/quote]

finally you say something that makes sense as well as being something i have never once disputed this entire thread, in fact that was the very subject of my first comments.

i guess your just having a bad day and want to find a reason to argue even if you have to imagine one. why do you even care so much about what i think anyway? will you not sleep tonite because i dont like the name they gave to a fish.

good day, hope you feel beter tommorow

Igar 'da Caveman sez: ...looks like 'ya all left out Carp and common Goldfish plus we have humans related to common Chimpanzees ???...they say every 12000 years features do change ???...cheer

Admiral, check out the article in national geographic a few months ago. They have discovered every living thing has a central 'switchboard'. At different stages of developement different 'switches' turn on to cause an arm to be an arm instead of a wing. They were able to get chickens to grow tails, scales, and teeth just like a dinosaur. Very interesting.

keakar, there have been isolated cases of fish which have characteristics of both black drum and red drum. The two species can interbreed, but is rare.

And, hybrids have been bred in labs. Here is a link to a scientific journal abstract:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1749-7345.1994.tb00193.x/abstract

In this post, it sure looks like a black drum to me. But I have seen pictures of the hybrids in other saltwater fishing posts. One looked like a black drum, was golden in color with a dot.

State records only apply to fish caught on rod and reel or by fly fishing. In the application form, a biologist must certify the following:

'I hereby declare that I have examined the fish described above and that it is correctly listed as to species and data. I also
certify that the fish shows no signs of mutilation by shooting, foul hooking, snagging or other illegal capture methods...'

The application form is at:
http://www.laoutdoorwriters.com/Records/LouisianaFishRecords/tabid/87/Default.aspx

TGITWB-archive

murder the reds in the redrum

I call it a red drum.The redfish that is. Heck I named my boat after them.

I can't wait until DrewB gets online this morning.

Yep I think she crossed the tracks.

Guys I have caught a redfish that kinda had a shape like a black drum... Maybe the redfish's mother crossed the tracks once? take a look...

That's not a redfish. It's a cross between a red drum and golden drum.

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???

Found this on another site . I guess this a golden speckled trump ??

That fish would be on the wall for sure!

my favorite is the vaunted speckled flounder

A beautiful fish no doubt ... But it's still a red drum aka redfish with a couple extra spots .

Man, he's liable to really have a meltdown if somebody let's it slip that speckled trout are a type of drum..........oops.

Does this count as a red fish or red drum?

@ eight-inch-deck - hmmm that sure looks like a red drum to me lol.

@ Choupic-Man - man that sure is a pretty fish


what keeps getting lost here is when i am saying red drum im talking about drum that are red. unfortunately all you guys see is the word red drum and stop looking at what im saying because you have already decided im talking about redfish so then you get confused by the comments that follow.

perhaps you wouldnt have been so confused if i called it a black drum that is red but then i thought that would also be confusing.

i am glad we all got to laugh at all this together, you thinking im not making sense and me seeing you guys so dead set on defending the redfish's honor that you cant even see that i am talking about a black drum that is red and not redfish/ aka red drum.

its like a round of whos on first base once you constantly wrongly assume im talking about a redfish/red drum instead of what im actually talking about which is the black drum that is red.

oh well we had fun discussing it anyway

Sorry Keakar I couldn't resist! Gotta smile at least once a day.

its cool, i thought it was pretty funny and i enjoyed everyones comments here good or bad

people have missunderstandings all the time but we are all friends here, at least thats how i feel about it

Ditto

To keaker, who seems to want to make some individuals feel dumb, let me school you a little bit here, as you have schooled countless comrades on this post.
“this is very unfair IMO because black drum and golden drum should have their own seperate class just as white trout and specks are classed seperately.” – separate, their, classes, separately
“the irony here is a redfish is nothing like a drum yet it steals the red drum class away from the real and true red drum which is the golden drum.” – is that a redfish,
“as to wether it is a record, well its a black drum but it is a pretty big one so it may make the top ten in the record books for black drum” – whether, it’s a black drum,
“you wish to say i am wrong because the book says differently when the point of my post was the book is wrong lol. real fisherman know this wrongly named fish has confused people for years over the difference between a drum and a redfish” – differently, real fisherman know that, have confused
“i suppose your also saying the big giant head and huge rib cage of a drum is exacltly the same as the redfish is” - You’re, exactly, as the redfish
“the aparant problem came when i suggested the name 'red drum' was more fittingly used to describe the drum you catch that are redish orange in color.” – apparent, redfish
“the croaker is different enough from a drum to get its own class and i feel the redfish is even more different then the croakers is from the drum yet it the redfish gets named as a red drum which in my mind is an insult to this beautiful fish.” – Than the croakers are, yet it is the redfish that gets,
“you argue about thingds i did not say then claim im crawfishing when i havent then your proof to claim your high ground is to verify the very facts i stated lol.” Things,
“yes i stated my opinion and still repeat it again, i am not crawfishing at all, i never stated that was the law of the land or it was written in a book somewhere and until you are GOD i do not have to change my opinion to suit you” that this was the law of the land,
“i guess your just having a bad day and want to find a reason to argue even if you have to imagine one. why do you even care so much about what i think anyway? will you not sleep tonite because i dont like the name they gave to a fish.” You’re, tonight
“good day, hope you feel beter tomorrow” - better
These are only a few of your errors, and I do not feel the need to go into minute grammatical lessons to the detail. If you doubt my credentials, I have an English degree from LSU('07), Spanish degree from LSU('08), and an MBA from LSU('12). (I would really enjoy you questioning the credentials of an LSU degree on this website, if you disagree with any of the aforementioned corrections.) Yes, this man incorrectly identified a black drum, but if you are to act the factual individual, please do so in an intelligent manner.

The fire was almost out...

If you're looking for intelligent, well written posts, this isn't your site. Also, wouldn't it be nice if this site had a quote function for easier readability?

Every time I get out, they pull me back in.

@ I love fishy fingers

well well, i got schooled by a school teacher lol.

i aints got no fancy edumacation lik yurns but i dos all rite anywho.

i will send my post thru you so you can grade my spelling from now on lol.

as mentioned if you want good grammar and correct spelling you aint gonna find it at this site or at most online forums anywhere.

@Keaker, this certainly wasn't a personal attack, as none of the above posts are, and i certainly do not expect perfectly written posts from anyone on any site. I was simply poking fun back at you for poking fun at some of the other countless individuals who are as hardheaded as I am and would rather be fishing or hunting while surfing this site waiting for the weekend. Happy fishing to all with the great tide this weekend, although to the original writer of this post I would not recommend eating a black drum of that size as the larger ones are the breeders and often are full of parasites.

its all good

heck i just found it kinda funny and odd that my opinion meant so much to so many lol