'Fishhfiles', why are you so negative on this issue? Do you own an ethanol gas station? I can assure your prediction WILL NOT happen. I know personally the top class action attorney in the Country. He would love to get this case if that would be the only way to resolve this matter.
As I've said before, Nebraska, one of the States that makes ethanol and one of the largest corn growing states in the Country, offers consumers a choice of buying ethanol gas or ethanol free gas at each station. The Agriculture Commissioner of Nebraska told me that they do this voluntary throughout Nebraska. I saw this personally when I went to the College World Series in Omaha in 2009.
Are you ready to park your car or truck if you own a 2000 or older model, or your boat if all stations become E-15? What about your lawnmower? How would you cut your lawn? Don't you see or understand the potential crisis if all stations are ethanol gas and they all convert to E-15?
I can assure you that the Louisiana public will not let this happen. I am trying to do my part by informing and educating the public on this matter. What are you doing to help?
'Pete'
I am so negative on it Pete because they are sticking it up our butts and they are going to do what ever they want ,this has been coming for a long time now , I heard about it before Katrina and it is not just ethonal and it is happening now , I wish you well in your quest but feel that you can take it to the Supreme Court and win and it is still going to happen the way they want it to , look what happened with the drilling moritorium , judge found it unconstitutional but they still did it , they tied it up in burarcacy B.S. and crammed it ------- I am a heavy equipment mechanic by trade and don't see a whole alot of gas powered equipment at work , but I do see the affects of what ethonal does small engines , I have alot of gas powered toys and tools and have had a lot of problems that cost me parts and my time fixing , and I am P.O.'ed to say the least ------------ are you up on Tier 4 emmisions for engines over 75 hp , the new Ford and GMC and constuction equipment have to abide by the 2012 emmission standards , Chrylser used fuel credits to skip to 2014 , alot of the new models trucks and equipment have uria tanks on them , that's chicken pee that gets injected into the catalitic convertor to make it burn hotter to reduce emmissions , there are alot of 1 tons and big rigs on the streets right now burning it fuel stops last I checked was $5.35 per gallon and not too many have it , some use concentrated uria which cost more than Crown Royal , the regular uria is so corrisive that it has to be stored in plastic , it eats right thru metal , some engines have to go in to the dealership and have the catalitic convertor scrubbed every so many hours at additional cost with a machine that I hear cost $50,000 , the new small dirt machines cost and extra $8,000 up for the added junk , add all that to the cost per mile you drive or hours you put on a machine , to be able to work a machine on a job that is Federally funded , municapality work or any job that is OSHA regulated the equipment will have to be 2012 Tier 4 compliant or not allowed on the job site , have you seen whats happening to some equipment rental stores , machines like million dollar cranes will have to be retrofitted , if you try and buy a new motor right now , and been that way for quite a while , for your equipment from a dealer like Cat , you can't , you have to buy a Tier 4 and upgrade your machine to accept it , the upgrades cost as much as the motor does , Cat tell me that soon if you bring in a machine for them to work on and it is not Tier 4 they will not be able to work on it for you , the software and code guides to troubleshot the new systems with ' fly by wire ' technoligies are protected and are for technicians of the dealership only , that section is not included in high dollars service manuals and as I have read on the bottom of the pages the information is not to be viewed by the owner of the machine , I know some one who just went thru it with a boat , the boat was just built and a remaned engine was installed , no Coast Guard certifaction was given cause the motor was not Tier 4 and the boat has to all be redone ----------it's alot more than just ethonal gas that we have to worry about , I think premium recreational fuel is about all that will be around soon ---------kinda crazy isn't it to grow acres of corn that could feed cows and chickens to get a few gallons of junk that destroys small engines which makes food go up in price and not drill off our coast , but La. didn't vote for him so he stuck it to us on that , have you bought a ribeye or deer feeder corn lately -------------
MarshManiac, suggest you read this article about the US Senate voting to kill the refinery tax credit subsidy:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-16/senate-votes-to-end-tax-break-for-ethanol.html
After you read this, do you still stand by your statement that refineries only get 4.5 cents/gallon to blend ethanol gas?
Again, the Federal VEETC refinery tax credit is $0.45/gallon .........you're thinking of the tax credit that gas stations get....4.5 cents/gallon. I have had at least two distributors and three station owners tell me that they (gas stations) only get only 4.5 cents/gallon.
'Pete'
ahhh you are correct on this one
the blender's credit
yes, I was thinking of the distributor's credit of 4.5 cents
it still won't stop blended fuels from being sold, however, too much money invested in blending equipment
the refineries will just keep the rest of the 4.5 cents (most only 'give' you 1.5) and everyone's fuel cost will go up...because E-10 is a 'green' fuel ha
MarshManiac, I'm glad you finally got to read the article. You say there is so much money invested in blenders, etc. These devices don't cost a fortune. Terminals added a tank to store ethanol and added a blender, that's pretty much all the equipment there is. But, don't forget refineries nation wide have been collecting $5 billion annually on this $0.45/gallon VEETC tax credit for over 10 years! They've paid for their initial investment many, many times over and are way ahead.
If the tax credit was not the reason for nearly all major refineries to blend essentially all of their total gasoline sales as ethanol, they why do they do it? You think the refinery CEO's are 'tree huggers'? There is no Louisiana State law (I posted our State ethanol laws on my website's Forum page) nor Federal law that requires them to blend all their gas as ethanol gas.......so why do they do it? This year, EPA only requires them to blend 8.0% of their total gas sales as ethanol gas. I'm going to continue researching until I find the reason.
Whatever the reason, if all 10% ethanol stations convert to 15% ethanol gas next year, AND, we don't have a reliably available source of ethanol free gas, we're in for BIG TROUBLE! And, if this does happen, the refineries are in for a HUGE 'public relations nightmare' when the public becomes fully aware that they do not have to blend all their gas as ethanol as they are doing now. And, you know the media, both print and TV media will be on this issue big time. It won't be only be a Louisiana issue, but a national issue. There are currently many States in which you can't find any ethanol free gas. So, if you have ONLY 15% ethanol gas, and you can't find gas for your boat, motorcycle, lawn and garden tools, or your 1996 car or truck, what are you to do? Did you see the EPA's warning label for 15% ethanol gas? Read the article on http://www.petelandrysrealgas.com on the 'Current Ethanol News' page to see the label. The Feds are covering their butts in the last sentence......read it and you'll see what I mean.
'Pete'
Pete , I told you in your other post what was going to happen and you asked where did I get my information from , I am sticking with what I heard and soon your list of stations with regular non ethonal gas will be ' zero '