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Engine 'HELP'!

HELP!! Gotta a '94 115 Johnson that runs good, but now have a (vaccum ?) problem. I've done everything I know to do. Changed all fuel lines, filters, primer bulb, checked vent line from hull to tank, checked main fueling hose from hull to tank along with the welded fitting going into tank, fuel line from tank to engine replaced, checked for anti siphon valve(none) in tank, pulled the fitting with tube where fuel is sucked from the tank (good- no blockage)and I am still a flat bulb after running for 2-3 minutes. It will however idle forever. I'm at wits end- totally stumped. Any advice ( and yes I plan on getting a pro to look it over, just trying to save a few bucks) Thanks!!
April 23, 2011 at 10:02am
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Posted April 23, 2011 at 2:07pm
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Posted April 25, 2011 at 8:25am
Check condition of fuel lines

Now that our gubbermint is mandating all this gas saturated with alkeyhaul,,, the innner liner of older fuel lines breakdown and collapse. It also breaks down and allows liner particulates to stop up filter,injectors etc.... alcohol and older stayle fuel lines don't mix.

There are replacement hoses that are alcohol tolerant, and spendy too.... ! I buy mine from Jegs or Summit racing.

R

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Posted April 25, 2011 at 12:02pm
still stumped

Thanks ya'll. Wondering if the type of water seperator filter matters? Put on a 10 macron. Maybe not compatible with an older engine?

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Posted April 25, 2011 at 1:35pm
re: filter

is that a stock seperator? 10 micron is a pretty fine filter for a carb motor,,(IF your's is carb), I run 10 mic on my Merc EFI's, but those have a serious electric push type fuel pumps on them, plenty of pressure and the 10 mic filters protect the injectors.. Typically the carb motors will have a diaphram fuel pump mounted on the block, can be found by following the fuel line from tank to motor. Those diaphram pumps have a thin rubber diaphram that will wear out, get holes or tears in them that require changing just the rubber diaphram. Easy to do.

Had you recently changed the fiter , then began to have the problem ?

R

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Posted April 25, 2011 at 2:39pm
filter

Yes, basically. My son (its his boat) said it was starting to run rough. so we did the typical stuff-plugs, fuel filters, new fuel lines etc. Should have left it alone! LOL. Anyway, everything seems to be clear from the filter to the tank. The fuel line is brand new- could the new filter possibly be TOO restrictive??
THANKS!!

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Posted April 26, 2011 at 7:22am
could be ...

It could be a combination of a too restrictive filter and a weak diaphram pump, with the pump not being able to 'pull' thru the filter. You may be able to remove the filter element altogether and see if the motor runs any better.The diaphram pumps operate off the motors vacumm while running. Typically the little diaphram pump is a small 1.5 inch square dillywigg that attaches to the front half side of the block. Its held in place with 2 or 4 screws. The pump can be easily removed or you may even be able to open it up to inspect the rubber diaphram element with it still in place. they are cheap enough to replace for good measures anyway, and you'd rule out that particular item as a bad actor.

R

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Posted May 04, 2011 at 1:58pm
Any update?

git her fixed yet?
R

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Posted May 09, 2011 at 9:54pm
HEY MAN

Thanks, but not yet. Got real busy with work. Gonna try and by pass the water seperator which I had put on a different type (10 macron ?) Thinking it my be too restrictive. Going to bring a little 3 gallon tank just incase, so I don't get stranded. Just can't figure what else it would be.
Thanks for the inquirey. If that isn't it, I'll try hiring someone who is a bad a$$ trouble shooter and who will come out to the house and work on it, being I live on the water.

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Posted May 30, 2011 at 9:13pm
mystery

okay, I went through it again, checked fitting and tube on the tank where the fuel line connects, and rechecked vent hose from the tank to the side of boat. Rechecked all fuel lines from the bulb to the carbs. By-passed the water seperator . STILL sucking primer bulb flat after about 20-30 minutes of good running (3500-4500 rpms). brought
a little portable tank this go round and it ran great until tank went dry!!!
LOL, totally stumped and have a mechanic lined up tis week to check it out. I'm assuming something simple that I am over looking? Will have him rebuild the carbs and install new diaphram pump while here...

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Posted May 30, 2011 at 10:00pm
primer bulb

check the arrows on the primer bulb make sure it is not installed backwards. If the bulb is staying sucked down it is an air issue for sure. mud dobbers will do it to you. blow air through your lines with a air compressor. but check the arrows on the bulb first. LOL. good luck

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Posted May 30, 2011 at 10:11pm
fuel tank vent

check make sure you fuel tank vent is open,,,cheers

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Posted May 31, 2011 at 1:05pm
humm,

I see you mention a welded fitting so I assume it may be a aluminum tank.

Sounds like you covered quite a bit as far as trouble shooting goes. The fact that iot ran good on the portable tank leads me to belive you may have a stoppage in the pickup on the main tank.

I helped a friend once who had his pickup tube smashed into the bottom of his tank by dropping something on the tank hard enought to permently push in the tank where the pickup was located, The pickup was mashed so bad it would not allow hardly any suction.

You may have something similar,, or even trash may have accumulated around the pick up tube screen, cloggin it up...

You have the problem isolated to tank only now.... trail and error sucks, but ya almost got it I think...
R

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