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I've just returned from a week of deer hunting, and had 2 bad experiences with my newly purchased 7mm-08. Tuesday morning I shot a 185lb 8 point at 60 yards. The deer was quartering toward me in fairly thick immature pines when he caught my wind. I was able to locate his front shoulder in my scope and squeezed off a round as he turned to retreat. At the shot the deers chest nearly hit the ground, but he regained and I heard him run for a longer distance than I expected. I found no blood, and only found the deer by luckily walking up on him some 80 yrds from where I shot him. There was no blood trail, and only a spot of blood the size of a golf ball where he expired. When I cleaned the buck I found the bullet had entered high shoulder and did not exit. The trauma was massive, but no blood trail.
The next morning I had a similar experience with another buck of about the same body size. This buck was running does and stopped shortly quartering away from me @ 40 yards. I placed the crosshairs on his left side, high on his back and squeezed off a round. At the shot his right front shoulder collapsed and I saw the white of his belly briefly as he hauled butt out of there. He was chasing 2 does and I saw 2 other deer run at the shot. With all those deer running it was hard to listen to what was happening with the buck I had just shot, but I know I heard him fall about 40 yards from me before apparently getting back up and going some more. Two hours later I was crushed to once again find no blood trail. I was hunting 125 yards from a clearcut and expect he made it there. With no blood trail to follow, finding the buck was impossible.
I'm shooting Remington ammo, 140 gr. Core-lokt bullet. I have had great results with this bullet out of my .270 in the past and have trouble believing the ammo is to blame. I had heard good things about this caliber, am I missinformered. Is the 7mm-08 to light for deer unless you have that perfect broadside or neck shot?
I'd like to hear from you guys with actual experience hunting deer with this caliber.

thanks in advance!
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7mm-08
Man the gun is plenty good for whitetail. I love mine and have made all kind of angled shots but I do not use Remington miss fires any more. Go get you some Hornady Super performace 139 grain sst bullets. Most of the time they drop in there tracks and if they do run I have never had one go more than 50 yards. Keep in mind no matter what bullet you shoot you wont find much blood with out a good exit. That is just my opinion.
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7mm-08 Rounds
We had the same problem with my kids .243 and 7mm 08. I stumbled upon some Federal Premium Nosler Partition rounds for my 30-06 and were impressed with their performance and wondered if they made them in smaller caliber.
Anyway they are expensive but we now use them in all our rifles. No problem finding blood or deer since we changed. They make a 140 grain 7mm 08 and a 100 .243 round. They are deadly!
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7mm-08
I have been hunting with this particular round with my browning rifle and have had no problems with them (remmington 140g corelokt). I would take more consideration for shot placement rather than ammo. I tracked too many deer with no blood trail left from other larger caliber rounds while the deer was quartering towards or away from them.
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7mm-08
7mm-08 is a fine deer cartridge, as is the Remington Core-Lokt ammo. I doubt that this is the problem.

Is there a chance that you clipped one of the 'fairly thick immature pines' when you shot at the first deer? Possibly the second deer too if he was also in thick cover. I have done this myself twice, resulting in no blood trail but was fortunate to recover the game each time. I did not find blood and went back to the location of the animal at the shot, finding small saplings that were hit both times. In each case the saplings that were hit was less than six feet away from the animal at the time of the shot. It is one of the potential hazards of hunting thick cover.
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If you like the .308 then you have to like the 7mm-08
Don't take this the wrong way but it sounds like you took poor shots. The 7mm-08 is a great deer cartridge. You can lose a deer with a 300 mag if you don't hit it right. Think about how many deer are shot twice!

I just shot a 200+# buck with a 45-70 and he didn't even flinch on the first shot. I hit him right behind the shoulder, I thought I missed. The second shot was about 6 inches higher and he hit the dirt. Deer are tough.
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Shot placement
I experienced the same problem with my kids shooting the same rifle/ammo combination.My son (11)killed 4 deer this year and my daughter(8)killed 2,of the 6 deer shot there was 2 that left a blood trail.After watching my son shoot the 2nd deer through my scope (and seeing the bullet impact) a perfect shoulder shot we get down and find nothing, no blood/deer, after many failed attempts to locate blood i had just about lost hope, but i kept replaying the shot in my mind, knowing the shot was good i couldn't give up looking, after about 2 hrs i stumbled on the deer 40 yrds from where it was shot, not a drop of blood on the ground where it fell,just i had expected a perfect shot???(maybe not).with that being said i was convinced the gun/ammo was not working i was just about to sell the gun , when i took him hunting again, This time i decided to make him shoot at different area(lungs)sure enough it worked..125 yrd shot, dropped like a rock, since then that is the ticket no shoulder shots!!! SHOT PLACEMENT IS THE KEY!!!
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shot placement
I understand a quartering shoulder shot is not the optimum shot. But from years of deerhunting with a .270, I know from experience it has always been been deadly, and a blood trail has never been a problem. I'm not sure if an ammo change is needed, or if this is just not the caliber for my type of hunting. I hunt the woods mainly, and don't have the opportunity to wait for a broadside shot like you often have on a foodplot.
If a shoulder shot presents itself its always been lights out with my .270, and at least some kind of blood trail. I've never had a bullet enter a deers chest cavity and not found the deer until now. Ammo change or a very nice rifle for sale shortly!
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Plastic tipped bullets
I have shot both Mule and Whitetail with the 7mm/08 and have found blood trails depend on low shot placement. Mid chest lung shots have provided me with though tasks in finding deer with a little or no blood trails. Most plastic tipped bullets explode upon penetration and do massive damage internally. With low shot placement forward in the chest cavity, blood trails are pretty easy to follow.
On the other hand, I've found a neck shot with these bullets results in almost instant dropping. and if not, the blood trail could be followed by Stevie Wonder. If an inexperienced hunter is a little shakey, a neck shot is chancy, but the miss is a clean one with the deer living to show up another day. JMHO. Happy New Year to all.
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hmm...
I know plenty of people who have had bad experience with corlock bullets. The 7mm08 is an excellent deer caliber. Me and a few other people I hunt with have all had problems with corlocks breaking apart, splitting in half, core/jacket separation, and just not exiting. They seem to do well in calibers using long bullets. I know people who swear by them, and I used them for a long time in my 6.5, but I've seen first hand some bad things involving corlocks. It's a shame, because they shoot very well in every gun I have ever tried them in.

I suggest a different bullet. Federal blue box bullets perform great and don't break the bank. I shoot hornady SSTs in my 25-06 and they also do well. I find the federal blue boxes do a little better than the hornadys, but they don't make a bullet I like in 25-06.

Also, a .223 in the wheel house will do a better job than a .338 lapua magnum in the guts.

Good luck. Don't loose faith in the 7mm08, it is one of the best deer calibers available.
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Caliber and Ammo
My brother in law has shot this caliber and core lokt ammo for a long time. He has killed a pile of deer with this particular combo over the years, with some of the being bucks weighing up to 250 pounds. You couldn't pay him to shoot another caliber or another brand of ammo. The 7mm-08 140 grain ammo has done him very well. My stepson shot the same caliber and ammo as a youth, and shot some does with it back then. They never went further than 40 yards. My 9 year old nephew is now shooting the 7mm-08 140 grain core lokt and has killed a couple with it, with very good results. Works for them. I started shooting a 270 wsm this year, and the gun grouped well with the core lokts. I've only shot 2 does with it so far, but the performance was just what you would look for.
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why
i'm sorry but why shoot it in the shoulder where theres bone to stop your bullet from exiting and to keep blood from coming out. just my opinion not trying to start anything you also totally mess up that meat
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hmm...
I shoot em all square in the shoulder with a 25-06 and always get an exit. If you shoot a good bullet and you aren't taking a hard angled shot at the shoulder, it'll go through both of em 19 times out of 20. I would rather mess up some meat than risk the whole deer rotting in the woods. Put one through both shoulders and he probably won't go out of sight, and if he does it'll be a blood highway.
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Core-Lokt
I have killed probably over 50 deer and hogs with Remington model 7 in 7mm-08 over the past 12 years; all with the Core-Lokt 140 gr. I have since given my son the same rifle and cartridge. He has killed 2 so far.

If possible; shoot them in the base of the neck on a broadside or semi-broadside shot. They will drop every time; I guarantee. Quartering to shots are risky no matter what you are shooting.

I think you have had 2 misfortunate exceptions. The 7mm-08 was declared 'the best overall Whitetail round' in certain circles. All I know is it does the job for me and is very light on the shoulder.
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Ballistic Tips
Federal Supreme 140gr Ballistic Silvertips. You may not have a front shoulder roast left, but there will be a blood trail. I have my 10yr old shoot these specifically for that reason. BLOOD!! If he makes a bad shot you can track blood or guts for a mile.
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7MM-08
Been having one for 20yrs,great deer cartdrige.I shoot the Barnes triple shock 140gr bullet and never had a problem.I shoot Barnes in all my rifles,great retention weigh and you will get a exit hole for blood trailing.
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7-08
Hey Stick-Em I did kinetic energy calculations on 7-08 139 grn bullet versus 270 130 grn bullet at max load which is typically all your factory ammo and the 7-08 won by 13 ft lbs of energy. I know that won't help your confidence but it's practically identical.
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7mm-08
Yeah, I tend to think my problem is not with the bullet or the caliber in this situation, but with a combination of the shot placement, bullet and caliber. Downshiftandfloorit hit the nail on the head when he mentioned the bullet fragmentation problem he has had with this bullet/caliber combination. I never found the bullet when I cleaned my deer, but both lungs, heart, liver, and diaphram were damaged by the shot. I believe the bullet fragmented when it penetrated the shoulder causing severe internal damage, but no bloodtrail. I have taken nearly the same shoulder shot on other deer with my .270 with much better results. I should probably change ammo and go at it again, but have decided to just go back to the what I know to be a proven combo and shoot a .270. I love the rifle, so I ordered the same Remington 700 Mountain LSS in .270 and will sell the 7mm-08. My new rifle will be in Wednesday, and I plan to hunt with it Saturday evening after sighting it in after the morning hunt. Thanks for all the good info and advice!
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Shot Placement
My 11 yr old son shoots a model 7 7mm08. All deer one shot kills. Only one ran off, and it only went 50yrds. 140 core lokts. This is not a magnum rifle, and as such should not be expected to go in breaking shoulders on both sides with an exit on the opposite shoulder. Shoot the deer behind the shoulder if at all possible, or shoot slightly above the shoulder where the back neck and shoulder meet. I shoot all my deer in that area and they are dead right there. With my son, I make him shoot for the vitals. Plenty of blood to follow. He did shoot a doe last year quratering too him at 75yrds. The round didn't exit, but the deer didn't make it out of the food plot. It went in the left shoulder and lodged in the off side hind. Just my .02
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7mm-08
My Bro-N-Law shot a spike last week and we had the exact problem......He shot the deer about 75 yards down a clear, clean shooting lane. He was sitting on the ground, and the deer was uphill from him. He was using Core Lokt ammo also. He hit the deer about 2 inches behind the right shoulder where the heart would be, and the bullet excited about 5 inches in front of the left shoulder and high, leaving a exit hole about twice the size of a pencil eraser. The deer only ran 60 yards, but I found 2 tiny specks of blood. This was a new gun and his first deer with the round. The deers insides looked like someone mahed the up with a sledge hammer.........I have killed abunch of deer with Core Lokt in 180 gr 30-06. All Im saying is if it would've been the -06 he would've been laying where it hit him!
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7-.08
Killed this one with a Marlin 7mm.08. He weighed 275 pounds. Personally, I love the caliber.
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Re: 7mm-08
I handload, but Berger bullets are available in some loaded ammo. I shoot alot, I research the heck out of everything, and I have shot tons of deer and exotics the size of deer.
I am sharing my experience because it may help you with your decisions.
There are pros and cons to every bullet, caliber, load, etc., depending on your needs at the time, which often change in the field, causing us to adapt and improvise on the fly.
Keep in mind that I believe every caliber is awesome for one reason or another, but My favorite round, after years of denial, is the 308. The old timers mostly told me that the 308 was king, but since I am a lawyer, I like to argue.
Based on ballistic coeficient and powder capacity, the 7mm STW with 180gr Berger VLD hunting bullets with Nosler brass, Fed 210 primers, and H1000 powder(i had several different loads depending on the rifle, as no two rifles used the same loads) became my favorite. I dropped animals in their tracks anywhere from 50 yards to 650 yards. The Bergers are like handgrenades when they enter the body. You lose some meat, but the kill is usually humane.
I started loading For the 308 when the h1000 powder was hard to get, and I used Berger 30 cal 168gr hunter classics. I dropped animals in their tracks from 100 to 300 yards. Sure, those bullets drift a little more at the 1000 yd range, but anything within 500 yards, for me, is a sure kill.
That brings us to the 7mm-08. The 7mm has an excellent bc (i think the 150 gr Berger hunter classic is .605). The 150 gr bullet has less recoil, and the terminal ballistics, from what I have seen, are no no different than the 168gr 30 cal.
I bought my wife the 7mm-08 because i think that it will perform very well for deer sized game for any shot that she would ever take. I also plan to shoot it some because I just had my rotator cuff repaired, and I cant shoot the heavier rifles yet.
I hope my experience helps with your decision. I do want to caution that the Berger target bullets have thicker jackets, so they dont expand/explode and it is tough to get an ethical kill on an animal, so make sure you use the hunting bullets.
In closing, i used core lok bullets when I first started hunting. I quit using them because shot placement, for me, was critical with that bullet, and i am not always presented a perfect opportunity.
Please let me know what you decide, and, more importantly, the reasons.
Thanks
Caddolawyer
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Re: 7mm-08
a 7mm08 is more than enough gun for whitetail deer.

no exit = no blood trail.

your shot placement is to blame on both deer.

also, a high exit wound will not let blood out until blood has filled the cavity up to the point where it can spill out the hole.
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Re: 7mm-08
Been shooting a 7mm-08 for 15 years, yes shot placement is the most important, but all bullets are different, there's the ones that explode on impact and tear the insides up with no exit hole and hardly no blood trail and the ones that have complete through design.I've used both and like the complete pass through bullet.I 've been using Barnes triple shock for years and in all my rifles and you will get and exit hole and a blood trail.I ve shot a 275 boar hog head on front shoulder and it went through the length of the body and exit out the rear.Just my 2 cents and not bashing other type bullets.
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Re: 7mm-08
didn't take the time to read all the comments so not sure if this was mentioned or not. but i shoot a 140 grain barnes TSX hand load and the things it does to the inside of deer is truly a sight to see. its always exited the deer and always left a very distinct blood trail. i know they sell that TSX ammo in 120 grain in the stores but if you look around you could probably find a higher grain. but i would for sure give it a shot if i were you.
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Re: 7mm-08
Use hornady 139 sst
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Re: 7mm-08
PROBLEM SOLVED - REMINGTON CORE- LOKT
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