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Deer Hunting in South Central Louisiana

Rice Bran & Corn

Are we hurting our chances of seeing deer during daylight hours?
I know in our club every body X 2 stands each has either a pile of corn or rice bran or both at every stand.
I just feel it reduces the amount of time a deer has to spend feeding if it only has to walk a couple hundred yards make one stop at the closest stand to itís bedding area a fill up on corn or bran. And we all know if they have a choice it will be at night.
Itís not often any more you will catch a deer feeding across an oak flat or feeding on a pipeline. Any comments?
December 23, 2010 at 5:18pm
99 Comments
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JB
Posted December 23, 2010 at 5:58pm
Feeding

Roledat -- What is your address?? I want to come to your house. Everytime you go into your kitchen, during the day, I'm gonna hit you in the knees with a golf club. Everytime you go into your kitchen at night, I won't bother you. How many times will I hit you in the knees before you qiut going during the day????

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Posted December 23, 2010 at 6:19pm
Feeding

Ok this one Ive gotta respond to. Lets see how many feeders are in a club on a given day per square acres? How many deer per square acres on your property you hunting? I think the thing Missippi has over us is they make baiting illegal. Thats louisiana's weakness...deer eat all night and yes they only have to walk a few hundred yards to another feeder. Do I bait.mmmmm well yea.... is it gonna hurt my chances at seeing deer in daylight....well yea. Only way this will change is LDWLF changes it. Wonder if some bioligist has studied this yet....probably so. Maybe they have stock in corn or rice bran and thats why its still legal. I have 260 pics of deer feeding at night and 1 during day. Is that a problem ....yep. I am part of the problem but if I dont put out corn to keep doe's on the property they just gonna go to neighbors who feeding and thats where bucks will follow. So after my long whinded rant thats where I stand....we will always be behind Mississippi as for deer population and quality until law changes.

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Posted December 23, 2010 at 6:54pm
Baiting

JB is exactly right. Every time you sit in that stand over corn you are making them nocturnal. I have a ton of pics of deer during daylight at bait since early summer on areas with little or no pressure. One spot is outside my subdivision and you would not believe how many daytime pics I have. Once they start getting shot at they figure things out pretty quick

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Posted December 23, 2010 at 7:14pm
bait

You are right about that also. I do have some nice pics of bucks and does not 2 minutes from my house and they are daytime pics...I have a 10 point on one day pic but no one even hunts the area due to its private property and in city limits.I still say Mississippi has what they have due to the laws they have.

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Role Dat Action Profile Photo
Posted December 24, 2010 at 10:30am
Bump

Any more opinions?

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Posted December 24, 2010 at 11:49am
hmmmm

I don't hunt over a bait pile since I hunt in Mississippi. It does stand to reason that morning sightings would drop if they fill up easily at night. Evening sightings might not be any different though unless they get up later because they know they can fill up quick.



I don't know, all of that is just guessing. I do know that the deer always move at night more than during the day. I don't bait and I get a ton more pictures at night than during the day.



At most one in ten buck pics at most is during the day. Could be much higher though. Probably more like 20 at night to 1 during the day.



That is what has me laughing. I see deer most times I go hunting and do pretty decent at seeing bucks. But if I went by my trail cam I would figure hunting was useless. I guess there is just a lot of area around a trail cam that the camera doesn't see... remember I am not putting a camera out on bait but instead on trails.

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Posted December 24, 2010 at 4:55pm
feeding time

when the hunting pressure changes deer habits for feeding ,the moon has no effect on feeding anymore,a big deer did not get big by not changing habits.

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Posted December 24, 2010 at 9:16pm
feeding

Feeding or not feeding has no effect on deer movement. Oak trees drop acorns more by day because the warming sun causes them to swell and fall, food plots are there night and day. What causes deer to go extremely nocturnal this time of the year is the relentless pursuit of the DEER by bucks. Since scent has nothing to do with it and bucks chase by sight, the only time they can chase is in the daytime, therefore the deer know they can visit high usage sights at night.Deer will actually avoid bait sights even at night. I go from 250 pics at night to 20 this time of year. Up until 3wks. ago i could watch 15 deer feeding every evening, then it went to 3or 4. In the last few days they have settled down and returned to the field in daytime. The big bucks remain in the thick stuff near their primary scrapes waiting for the does to show up. When they are given a VISUAL signal that the doe is ready they will instantly breeds her. A rutting buck stinks so bad he couldnt tell a hot doe from a dead fish, and he doesnt care. ANYTHING THAT WILL STAND STILL, INCLUDING DECOYS WILL GET BRED.

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Posted December 25, 2010 at 4:38pm
baiting

quote (Feeding or not feeding has no effect on deer movement). That is a pretty bold statement since I have heard many biologist who study deer say the opposite. Now I have to agree about trail cams dont show everything. I personally have seen what baiting has done to our deer and having a buddy who has 1000 acres and they dont bait just foodplots....night and day on deer movement. I still would love to hear what LDWLF biologists say on the subject. My opinion we are the problem by what we have been doing ....and that makes em not need to come out by day ...why when they can eat at night without being bothered. This is the easiest way I can see it. Deer pattern us better than we pattern them. So if u walk to your stand using the same trail making the same amount of noise going near the same feeder deer will pattern u right? So if they pattern that eating at night is safer than day its the same thing. Might be the eggnogg but makes sence to me. Guess we all have opinions on the subject but its food for thought.

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Posted December 25, 2010 at 6:03pm
My Thoughts

When you hear or read someone's statement that baiting doesn't have an effect on deer movememt, then you know that the person uses Bait and they have no idea what their talking about.

I had no thoughts towards baiting 5 or 6 years ago. I didn't use it, but didn't care who did. On our lease, I started seeing a decline in deer sightings. We hadn't killed all of the deer, tracks would be everywhere, so why were our sightings decreasing. I started checking the internet on the subject and came across Charles Ruth, a biologist from South Carolina, who had just completed a study on the subject. He sent me a copy, then I talked with him at length on the subject. Our problem was just as he described.

Then I started checking with members in our club and sure enough they were increasing the amount of feeders they each had. Some as many as 6. Then I checked our harvest records and discovered that the guys using bait had harvested less deer every year than the ones that didn't.

I started trying to get them to stop and showed them my findings, you would have though I just asked for their first born. It was like asking crack addicts to go cold turkey. I had one guy tell me he couldn't hunt without it and he never killed one deer that year.

We are loosing the ability to hunt. What are we teaching our children, surelly not the things I was taught by my father about how to hunt. The art will die with the older guys and the ' If you build it they will come' approach will be all thats left.

Maybe LDWF will get off there butts and put and end to it, but I doubt it, because there's too much money at stake, not to metion the politicts. Good Luck and God Bless

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Posted December 25, 2010 at 7:27pm
baiting

I put out just as much bait as anyone, maybe more, but we dont hunt over it. During the rut bucks will stake out bait piles and chase any deer that comes near. The only time deer can come to bait is at night when they cant be seen. They have no concept of fear from a stand 200yds. away that occasionly msakes a loud noise. its the certain knowledge that that's where they will be harrassed by bucks that make them nocturnal. What ya'll are missing is biologists dont do much hunting. I've hunted every day of every season for 40 yrs. and have done extensive research on private land for the last 15yrs. Bucks have no ability to tell by smell when a doe is 'ready', its all about visual. Why dont bucks chase does at night? Except for the brightest of moonlit nights and only in open fields can they chase. As soon as they approach a deer it runs for the darkest, thickest woods, chase over.Even if no one fed there would still be food out there and deer would still avoid it in daylight. If u hunt in a place that has lots of deer and fields u will see the does start gathering in groups and staying in the middle of the largest field they can find all day. Deer also feed very heavy in early fall and build up a large fat supply, then they eat very little during the rut and live off this fat. bucks will lose 20 or 30lbs. in a month.

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Posted December 25, 2010 at 7:33pm
ridiculous

Hunt r,

This quote 'Since scent has nothing to do with it and bucks chase by sight, the only time they can chase is in the daytime, therefore the deer know they can visit high usage sights at night.' is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. I'll assume you didn't mean that the way it came out. EVERYTHING about deer is about scent. It is their most acute sense and is behind everything they do directly or indirectly. Bucks chase does all night too, in fact, moreso at night than in the day. Please tell me I am misunderstanding what you were trying to say and that you indeed do know this.

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Role Dat Action Profile Photo
Posted December 26, 2010 at 7:40am
Hunters

As Hunter/Gathers we have all looked for that extra edge (some not legal) to help us in taking our game whatever it is.

Ducks its decoys, calls, baits, and flappers.

Deer itís the same thing calls, scents, bait, and decoys. Itís not to many years ago some felt the only way they could kill a deer is if it was being pushed by a hound, some still today.

As I said in the original post, bottom line, on our lease we have reduced our chances of seeing deer during daylight hours, because of the number of locations and the amount of feed we have on the ground.

And the worst part of it is come the end of January, when they could us a little boost, from a protein food, like corn or rice bran itís all gone no one feeds after the hunting season on our lease. That has got to hurt the deer.

And as far as a rutting buck only chasing a doe in heat if he can see her and not with his nose, not at night only during the day. (COME ON MAN).

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Posted December 26, 2010 at 8:20am
Feed

We feed year round and our deers are FAT and healty. We also plant numerous food plots year round, both spring and fall. We are considering stop feeding at the start of the bow season until the rut...?? then resume feeding Jan - to Sept. after that... Oct to Dec..no feed! We like what we see in body weigh and horns. Feed and Plots have made a huge difference, but yes, our deer are nocturnal also. You can't shoot just anything anyway, but it makes a better hunt when you see deer....shooters or not! Thoughts?

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Posted December 26, 2010 at 10:30am
nightime

Ya'll dont really believe that deer can run wide open thru woods, fences, ravines, cliffs and all the other hazards in the woods at night in pitch black without hurting themselves? they would have to have night vision and radar! If they used scent and came on a group or deer, which ive seen many times they do not go to the 'hot' doe but instead they check evey single deer. I have helped trail numerous wounded deer at night during the rut. i stay with the vehicle to keep everyone from getting lost. The woods are totally silent at night. NOT ONCE HAVE I EVER SEEN OR HEARD DEER CHASING AT NIGHT. i also have a light in my yard and deer are there every night, never in 15 years have i seen a buck leave the light to chase a doe. They will try to trail them but within a few minutes they will be back in the open chasing anything that they can SEE. You can stick to old wives tales if u want, but u will find this is true,

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Role Dat Action Profile Photo
Posted December 26, 2010 at 12:02pm
Deer at night

When we us to run dogs on the lease there were many a nights i stood on the porch of the camp to listen to the dogs still running deer in the pitch black, giver me chills today just thinking of it.

Back to the subject. I don't think they were walking or standing in one place.

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Posted December 26, 2010 at 12:35pm
Seriously?

A simple internet search or two concerning how deer 'see' will give just about anyone the info they need to inform that deer's eyes are different from ours and very well suited to seeing in light conditions that we cannot see in.



All dedicated deer hunters on this planet have witnessed deer chasing at night during the rut and deer running in the complete dark.



This is not an unusual phenomenon.





...JP

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Posted December 26, 2010 at 12:39pm
What???

Hunt R, I'm not sure where you heard this misinformation but that is exactly what it is! Deer can see at night like you can see during the day! I'm not an ophthalmologist but basically eyes are made up of cones and rods. I believe the rods are what allows you to see during low light. Deer outnumber our rods by 20 to 1. Yes, they can see in the dark! They do see better when there is some light available like dawn, dusk, and periods of a full moon when both the rods and cones are working together. Also, apparently you've never witnessed a buck with his head to the ground chasing a doe that has entered estrous. They actually have a specific organ that's helps them to decipher whether a doe is ready to breed or not.



Back to the subject of baiting, I really don't care what any one tells me because I have seen it enough with my own eyes to know that baiting does not have an effect on deer movement other than the fact that your odds are going to be a lot higher of seeing deer! With that being said, I've never dumped huge piles of corn in one spot but rather spread it out over a large area or had it in a spincast feeder so deer could not really consume a huge amount of corn at one time. Older bucks are not going to come to corn or a food plot during the day as much as the younger deer are. I am a firm believer in an older deer's wisdom of avoiding such places especially after the guns start going off. Once the rut kicks off and if you have does coming to a food plot, then I think you have a good chance of a buck throwing caution to the wind and coming out a little early. As far as saying no one knows how to hunt any more because all we do is bait now, that's not true! Plenty of people know how to hunt and some may use bait and some may not. I do both, but I don't wear out a stand with bait over it and then blame the corn.

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Posted December 26, 2010 at 1:19pm
I AGREE WITH PALERIDER

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hunt r Profile Photo
Posted December 26, 2010 at 6:37pm
nighttime rut

Role dat, we're talking about bucks being able to tell 'ready' does by scent not just escape from dogs that are running any deer that they come across. Palerider, u won't find any biologist that knows 1/5 what i know about wild la. deer, and i assure u it wasnt something i heard. So can u answer the questions of why do deer change from red to camo, why elk and moose which are deer use sightonly, and why do bucks chase does if they know when they are 'ready' by scent. i guess u never saw a buck pick out a doe by her visual signals in a herd of deer does, yearlings, and small bucks where scent is everywhere. As for 'every hunter knowing bucks scent chase does at night', first of all i dont think most hunters hunt at night and i would be glad to hear someone tell of a documented case they saw with their own eyes and not some hearsay bucks chasing does.

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Posted December 26, 2010 at 8:14pm
OK...

Hunt R, let me try and answer some of your questions as best I can. Many studies that are done with deer are by use of radio collars. Studies are done to show what time of year, what time of day, and how far the bucks will travel during the rut when they go out on forays to search for does. No, not too many hunters are out at night but I can actually tell you that I witnessed first hand last year a nice buck chase a doe next to Hwy 98 in the homochitto forest at NIGHT. The reason a deer will chase a doe is just because the doe's first instinct is to run sense all of a sudden she is being harassed. Eventually the chasing stops and she will let him have his good ole time.



I'm not sure how you can tell a buck is looking at a bunch of deer in a field and knows by sight which one to breed. More than likely that buck will come at them downwind and if he catches the right scent, he will start investigating a little further in which chasing usually will start to occur. I have some knowledge of deer through my own observations and some by books and television programs. Everyone is not going to be right all the time but you can learn a great deal with what is out there. Sense you claim to know more than every biologist in La, I'd say instead of starting a pissing match with people on here, you should swallow your pride and start listening to what others have to say and then go in the field and test it out for yourself. Good luck, just don't go sit in your stand at night with your rifle! :)

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Posted December 26, 2010 at 10:19pm
baiting

Ok now huntr you might have put time in on stand just like rest of us but palerider is gonna top you on this. I personally have sen deer chase at night while sittin on a broke down 4 wheeler in the woods in the dark just a waiting on a tow when they come runnin by easy to see with moonlight buck chasin a doe not 50 yards from me. Now I am glad that im not the only one who sees the issue with baiting. I am cutting my feeders down 70% now and gonna use a log to see what happens in the next year. On a good note I killed my personal best today as a late christmas present I dropped a 10 point this morning.

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Posted December 26, 2010 at 10:52pm
ok

I put 4 people on a stand this evening, teenage boy saw 2 large bucks, wife saw 8pt. several does, another teenager and his father killed a doe, i saw 6pt. my 63 racked buck this season. I've killed over 150bucks in la., at least 75 were over 6pts. including at least 8 different wma. best 6 deer score over 800pts. including 182+ and passed up deer up to 20pts. i've grown at least one deer with at least 16pts. for the last 5yrs. My wife has killed 20bucks with 21 shots and she will tell u in a minute cause she has seen it many times, bucks use sight to find 'ready' does. in time u will know yhis to be true, ur just too busy talking to think. if you've ever watched a buck tending a doe, which i have many times, some as long as 2hrs., and at least 10 this year, you would know this. no a buck cant tell by sight a doe from a buck and he doesnt care, he pursues every deer he sees until they run, fight, or get bred. and no they do not come up to deer from downwind, but from any wind. i hunt a 10acre field a lot, many times i've had deer grazing on one end when a buck comes out on the other. as soon as they see deer, even couple hundred yards away, they break into a run to go check them. this relentless pursuit makes the deer avoid bait and food plots in the daytime. since u havent answered my question, which are very simle, i must assume you've spent very little time watching live deer. i have over 10,000 edited pics out of 100,000+ of bucks up to 61/2 yrs. old. i have dozens of pics of them from the time they were yearlings and have passed up everyone of them at least once. ask any biologist and he'll tell u he doesnt have time to hunt much, i;ve hunted almost every day for forty years in a place where i average seeing two racked bucks and 15 deer every day. i dont call this a pissing match, but i do believe 'time on a stand' is better spent where u actually see deer, esp. bucks. oh, and this is no high fence and only 500 acres.

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Posted December 27, 2010 at 2:58am
Deer Scents

This really isn't even worth commenting on, but since i am bored at work I will... First of all, deer use scents more than huntr uses common sense!!! If deer dont breed using their sense of smell, then what is the point of making scrapes? Why do they have tarsal glands? Why do does come into estous? Why wouldnt a doe just give a visual sign instead of coming into heat? I mean come on man!!! I dont care how many deer you have seen, killed, passed or fondled, the facts are the facts!! Have you ever seen how a male dog acts when a woman is on her period?? I promise you its because he smells her, not because she is giving him visual signs!!!

Now to the original question: Does feeding deer make them go nocturnal? In my opinion, no! A deer knows where feed is no matter if it is in a barrel, under an oak tree, or in a green field. What im saying is a deer is going to feed according to the moon no matter where the feed is. Now I do believe (pics show it) that deer, especially bucks will shy away from feeding under a feeder during daylight hours, however I contribute this to the hunter being in the area more and leaving his/her scent in the area. We are natural predators and deer know this. Wait I forgot, deer don't use their sense of smell! LMAO

Anyway, I have also noticed that just because the deer arent coming to your pile of corn or rice bran doesnt mean that they arent still in the area! Probably the last 10 out of 12 deer that I have seen this year havent been at my feed. So having said all that, if you are scouting and find a trail or good feeding area or bedding area and you put a stand there, you are still where the deer want to be. If you quit seeing daylight pics, it doesnt mean that they are not around! There are many factors that might make deer feed more often at night, but this is just my take on it!

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Posted December 27, 2010 at 10:37am
s0

U wright all that useless rambling because u dont have a clue what ur talking about. if u know so much just answer those simple questions. Also a lot of people use to think the earth was flat, they bwere wrong and so are u. funny how u KNOW all this stuff without a clue why other than ur buddies said it. i've spent my whole life researching deer, but dont listen to someone who knows and keep showing ur ignorance in ur refusal to simply apply common sense. if u would read my comments u would find i 've said deer use the're nose for almost everything, just not to tell if a doe is in heat. How can u be so confident of something you've never even seen!!!lol my wife has forgot more about deer than you'll ever know with that attitude.

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Posted December 27, 2010 at 10:46am
Huntr

So far nobody has agreed with huntr... But because he has sat in a deer stand and seen 2 deer getting it on 2-3 times he knows better than everybody else... Just fyi, I watched a 6 pt come from over 600yds away in the marsh to breed... There is no way he could possibly have seen her from where she was, and he came running through the marsh like he was on a rope! He walked up to her and mounted her right there... But i guess she did some kind of sign language from over 600 yds away while I wasnt looking!!!

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hunt r Profile Photo
Posted December 27, 2010 at 12:14pm
so

Another one hit wonder with one anecdotal episode. Why dont u simply answer the questions instead of attacking me, its because u dont have a clue what ur talking about and its obvious u didnt read my comments. fact: deer breed by sight, opinion: this chasing, IN THE DAYTIME, causes ALL deer to go nocturnal. the last word.

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Posted December 27, 2010 at 1:06pm
Good Read

http://warnell.forestry.uga.edu/deerpens/html/research.html



Anyone interested in deer's ability to use their noses to decipher certain smells should read this article. The part at the bottom describing the VNO or the vemeronasal organ is particularly interesting.

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Posted December 27, 2010 at 1:57pm
Huntr

This dude's an idiot!!!

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Posted December 27, 2010 at 2:19pm
C'mom huntr????

Are you listening to yourself? I have stayed out of this long enough.....



I have seen more Deer than You, your wife, AND your Grandma, put together, feeding, breeding, chasing(at night too), rubbing, scraping, running at night when I'm walking out of the woods.



If I read right you have seen 2 or 3 bucks breeding does?? So you are saying that means that is how it happens ALL the time, C'mon Man, you sound retarded, and I usually agree with you on here!!!



You think when I put out my Estrous Scent trail, and I smoke the buck as he follows it in front of, and downwind of me, that he SAW me put it out??? Dude you are insane........



They can't see at night, but yet they chase ONLY by sight........WHERE DO YOU GET THIS STUFF???



Bucks can and DO chase does at night, All night sometimes.......on a cloudy night..............With NO moon and no stars...............



Next you are gonna tell us that Bucks don't grunt, ONLY does snort, and Bucks don't make scrapes for breeding, it's because they are sharpening their antlers, and they can't hear either???????

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Posted December 27, 2010 at 8:14pm
wow

ok so now im really confused on everything ive ever read about deer huntr says is wrong. Well this conversation is goin from one extreme to the other. Back to baiting lets say I stop baiting alltogether and just do food plots ...whatcha think my deer sightings will go to? Or say half property has 2 feeders and other is just food plots...500 acres with oaks so they have food still. Seems like a good experiment .

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JB
Posted December 27, 2010 at 8:46pm
WTH?????

huntr - I too normally agree with you but this time I can't. If deer can't see at night, why do I get 100's of pics of deer at night and none during the day? Why during Oct-Dec, when our deer are NOT interested in breeding are we still not seeing deer except for night? I too have seen/heard deer chase in the dark (in the swamp BTW), both waiting on daylight to come and after day turns to night. 4 years ago two guys in our lease that hunt a few hundred yards apart had pics of a big 5 point one night. I had a picture of the same deer a few hours later at daylight. Here is the kicker, I hunt a different area of our lease that is over 3 miles from the other guys. How did that deer make it over 3 miles in a few hours IN THE DARK if he couldn't see?

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hunt r Profile Photo
Posted December 27, 2010 at 8:51pm
maybe

Okay, for the last 2wks. while the rut has been on we would only see a couple deer in the major field, but from 2 to 7 bucks each day in the thickets. Today my wife saw 10 does and 6 bucks while i only saws 2 does in the thick. i did see a nice 18' 9pt. cross the foodplot at 12am while i was sitting on my bike. He traveled about 200yds. looking in the thicket, never once looking at me even tho i was sitting in the wide open under my stand. i had just pulld up and hadnt even got off yet. my hunters insisted on going early and saw one spike, when they went to rest and eat i went hunting. last sat. i killed a 41/2 yr.200lb.+ at 12noon working on my stand. so everyone knows thats wrong, huh? My point is as the rut is winding down, the deer have returned to the foodplots in the day. of course everybody knows tensas has a late rut because of flooding, right, so why are my deer just ending? its because flooding has nothing to do with a late rut. the place i hunted for 35yrs, Willow Point we saw 100 to 500 deer a day, depending if u sat on wheat field are road a horse. also i worked for anderson-tully culling deer from their tree farms at night in the summer and we killed hundreds. i dont know how many that is or how many you have seen, but its a lot. its suprising to me that hunters, who are known for using anything to get an edge would be so fast to discount what they dont know and to and dismiss out of hand something that is so obvious to hunters that dont know-it-all. right now i have my door open listening for any sound from the 800acre deer pen filled with bucks chasing does

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Posted December 27, 2010 at 9:29pm
well

I dont know if i'm not saying it right or ya'll aint hearing it right. of course deer can see well enough to go about their normal routine and they use their nose to do incredible things. every instance ya'll refer to are does that are READY to be bred and not those that dont want to be. each case ya/ll used proves what im saying. that buck chased that doe from 600yds. but he wasnt blind. he knew because that doe stood still that she was ready. how do u know crashing in the dark is bucks 'chasing does'? and i repeat, if they can tell by smell, why do they chase them when they're not ready? its called the strong survive, not who can smell the best, the doe picks the buck, and only after he assures her by a long chase that he is fittest. i'm sure a lot of u have seen 3-legged bucks. Have u ever seen a 3-legged buck competeing in the rut? believe what u will about the method, i'm just saying this chasing causes deer, who are crepuscular anyway, to go nocturnal.

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Posted December 27, 2010 at 11:00pm
Hunt r

Ok, I have a question for you... How do you know that bucks dont chase does at night??? Can you please give me real information to prove this? Not just, I saw 10000 deer this year and I saw 50 deer get bred last year during the daytime... blah blah blah.....

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Posted December 27, 2010 at 11:24pm
ok

IF u would read my comments u will see i didnt say they NEVER chase at night, of course they will in open foodplots, up and down shooting lanes and other open areas, esp. on a bright nite. If a buck comes across some deer he will charge them. i promise u if some stand still and ignore him, they will get bred or hooked. he does not stop to 'smell who's ready', any deer that doesnt run gets mounted, simple as that. if a doe is ready she wont run very hard, if not she will light out for the thickest cover, esp. shallow flooded areas where he cant trail her by scent, then he has to use his eyes. we have an area like this the deer go to every year, its fun to watch them play hide and seek for hours. all the chasing ive ever seen, including today, ended as soon as it was too dark to see, the woods got dead still. i'm not kidding, my camp has a clover patch with a light and 100yds. away from my porch is a deer pen. its this chasing that makes them hide. thats also why they build up fat, the bucks dont eat and the does hide. thats also the reason their hair turns grey/brown for hiding purposes.

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Posted December 28, 2010 at 1:27pm
WHAT ???

What are you talking about now? You make no sense. Do you think that when a buck runs at a group of deer in a field, he has to smell all of them to see who is who??? He knows LONG before he gets there who is who and who needs 'ATTENTION'.



You don't think a buck can't scent trail a doe in flooded areas??? If this were true, there would never be any deer born in the swamp!!!



You are so far off base it's not even funny anymore!



Wow, I hope you are just messing with everybody on here, because if you are this close minded, it's a good thing that you hunt in a PEN !!!





And what is the meaning of your latest pictures???

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Posted December 28, 2010 at 2:27pm
pass thru

I cant speak for how the bucks breed or what not cause i dont know....but as far as your pen hunting comment about huntr---YOU ARE 100% WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i have been to his place many times and his deer are free range no high fences at all---His neighbor has penned up deer but Huntrs place is wide open! i will add that he knows alot about deer and thier activities---People could learn alot from him if they would open up to what he says. The man has been hunting a long time and has been managing free range deer a long time. If you were to see his mounts youd be impressed to say the least. So dont try and belittle the man about the pen stuff cause that is not true!!!!

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Posted December 28, 2010 at 2:44pm
My Bad???

ChefronT, I thought he said he hunted in a pen, if I made a mistake, I apologize for that comment, but not for any others.



If you read down, I stated that I usually AGREE with huntr on this forum, but he is giving a lot of mis-information, There are plenty of young hunters on here and they don't need to be using WRONG information!!! Deer hunting in La is tough enough when you do everything right, they don't need to hear that bucks only trail does by sight and in the daytime and not by scent!!! That is just incorrect. If he truly believes that, he is sadly mistaken!!! Big bucks are more like Night Ninjas, than only breeding in the daytime and only in fields.



I do not know him personally, but on this.............HE IS WRONG.........PERIOD!!!

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JB
Posted December 28, 2010 at 2:59pm
Settle

OK La Sportsman honchos, settle this. I think everyone on here will believe David Moreland. Why not call him and get him to settle this so the wrong group or person can say their 'i'm sorry's and we can all move on.

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Posted December 28, 2010 at 3:26pm
huntr

This is and excerpt from huntr!!

' every instance ya'll refer to are does that are READY to be bred and not those that dont want to be. each case ya/ll used proves what im saying. that buck chased that doe from 600yds. but he wasnt blind. he knew because that doe stood still that she was ready.'

So you sayin that scent had nothing to do with him closing in on this doe?? Or is it that he has so good of vision that he saw her ' tell tale ' signs from 600 yrds away that she is ready??

Dude you are whacked!!

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Posted December 28, 2010 at 5:31pm
Time To Move On

Experts such as Dr. James Kroll also known as 'Dr. Deer' http://www.deertv.tv/deerchannel/articles/DrDeersoffice.pdf



mention through their observations that deer operate by scent and visual cues, most hunters know this from their experience in the field.



Hunt R has obviously honed in on how deer utilize visual cues and that is fine and dandy for him.



I say its about time we move on with this thread as this man is getting bashed for his beliefs, albeit we may not be in agreement, if he's happy with how he perceives deer, that's fine by me.



Let's get back on topic and try and get along, no sense continuing to beat a dead horse.



What was the original topic again? LOL!





...JP

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Posted December 28, 2010 at 6:57pm
feed or not

This is another big problem i noticed today. the most vulnerable deer in the herd are 'knotheads'. they dont participate in the rut much so they get ignored, so they are the first deer to return to the plots in the daytime. also this time of year some of the earliest born have small 'spikes' breaking thru the skin, making them a legal buck. in most hunting situations everyone tries to kill the bucks before they shoot their does. then the rut comes on and the does get nocturnal and hard to kill. holidays come on and kids and gueasts are hunting just trying to kill a deer. first one out is a knothead, he's down as antlerless or even legal spike. today when i rode around i saw 4 in different plots. 2 were close and stared then hopped off. 2 more were 150yds. away and stared, then went back to feeding, totaly ignoring me and my truck. i hunted a different plot and the first two deer looked like small does but on close inspection were 'knotheads', i had put out some bran for first time in month, a doe came out with a knothead. she saw the bran and took off up the lane, he saw it and went straight to it and ate for 10 min. i saw 14 deer today, one 6pt.,spike, 3 does and 6 knot heads. the point is, the doe has been chased and she wanted far from bait, he hasnt, so he would have made a tempting target. in the 15 yrs. i've been managing my land we have only killed 3 knotheads, that is the most important thing i've done to increase bucks. sorry about the pics, i got them mixed up and will fix them. Dr. Deer has been my best source to think for my self and if u will read his latest u will see i'm right. however Dr. Deer and others have spent 20million studying spikes and still dont know what i know because i have been researching them for 40 yrs. while everyone else was trying to grow 'trophies'. would love to hear Dr. Moreland on this because i already knows he agrees 100% since i've read everything he's ever written.

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Posted December 28, 2010 at 7:59pm
UNCLE!!!

I quit!!! YOU WIN!!! I'm going fishing!!!

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Posted December 28, 2010 at 8:06pm
LMAO!!!

Passthru 69, my thoughts exactly!!! Except I'm at work, so I will just read the humor and wish I was fishin!!!

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Posted December 28, 2010 at 8:36pm
what?

I thought we were grown men discussin a fascinateing creature and their amazing ability. Why does anybody need to be right? Well anyway i'm sitting on the porch listening for any sounds but it is dead silent, all sounds of chasing ended today when it got too dark to see. Are u grown men gonna sit right there and tell me that u have seen bucks walking around with their nose in the air 'smelling' for rutting activity? thats absolutely wrong, i see several every day walking the roads, stopping and listening. since i'm usually looking at them with 12power its easy to see they are listening and looking, not smelling. As soon as they hear a crash they head for it. i will say we have very thick woods and its hard to walk in the day, much less at night. i never said they cant trail in water, i said it makes it harder so the bucks have to LOOK for a very well camod doe hiding from them.

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Posted December 28, 2010 at 9:04pm
Hook and Hound Hunting Club

hunt r- are you familiar with the Hook and Hound hunting club at Eagle Lake, MS. This would have been in the 60's and 70's. It is where Tara is now.

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Posted December 28, 2010 at 9:14pm
?

Ok first of all you say anything that stays still gets mounted? Then why do bucks charge a buck decoy? Second, I have been to Illinois during the rut and many times AT NIGHT, a doe would cross the road followed closely by a buck. and what about these pictures? ALL OF these deer are rutting in these pictures.

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Posted December 28, 2010 at 9:32pm
'Rock'n Deer Camps'

...I've been in a couple of noisy and loud Bouree and Keg beer sessions...but this one takes 'da cake !!!...cheer/cheers

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Posted December 28, 2010 at 9:41pm
YES!!!

Joe Bob, u better know it! The good ole days! I surveeyed that swamp for AT. Still have a camp on Chotard. Man we used to cross the Yazoo on a ferry. So if a buck can tell by smell, why would he try to mount a decoy? those bucks are tending that doe, not chasing her. they are mature bucks waitinf for her to give them a VISUAL signal saying she's ready. You really think her smell changes in a few minutes and suddenly she smells different and they breed her,then some time later her smell changes again? not to mention he smells sooo bad he cant tell a buck from a doe, and he doesnt care, if it stands still he will breed it, if it runs he won't. these are visual signals, i'm not running from u, therefore i'm ready. so u saw a buck run across the road following a doe and that proves something? Dr. Kroll's lastest article talks about all the junk science that was used in the past on penned deer with doctored stats. He and any scientist will tell you a theory becomes a fact when it can be repeated and duplicated somewhere else. everything i say i can prove with pics and harvested deer. He is doing a study now on tensas and in a few months u will see that he will prove everything i've been saying. i've been using his methods to study this for 15 years, so i already know what they're trying to find out. Maybe when it comes out in a magazine, ya'll will believe, i really dont care, i'm fixing to go back out on the porch and listen when the moon gets brighter. not one deer has showed itself under my light in 10 days. guess i'm not holding my nose right!lol band camp is just a joke.

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Posted December 28, 2010 at 9:50pm
?

A buck will try to mount a decoy if you put scent on it. What you say about the bucks tending does i somewhat agree with you. The buck tends the doe and follows her around. They will bed up together and the buck will eventually breed her. I dont know exactly if thats what you are trying to say? that is what i have seen through my, and others i have talked to, experiences.

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Posted December 28, 2010 at 10:29pm
yes

Thats exactly what tending means. The mature bucks keep visual cantact with a doe for a cuople days. He will shadow her evry move but stay a short distance away and he won't crowd her, if he does she will run, he will follow kepping her in sight AT ALL COSTS wherever she goes. if he doesnt crowd her she will browse around ignoring him. all is quiet. the small bucks are walking around looking and liatening for the action. they bump into him, he charges, this alarms the doe she runs off in about a 50yd. circle(in thick brush), then he has to spend an hour trying to track her by scent in a thicket filled with scent. all the time she is watching and listening for him. finaly he catches up and if he doesnt crowd her she will go back to ignoring him. when she is ready she will kinda hunker down and he will immediately go over and mount her. then he will walk away a short distance and half-heartedly browse or drink water and wait till she's ready again.

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Posted December 28, 2010 at 10:48pm
baiting causing lack of deer movement

Role Dat, appreciate ur patience in letting us ramble. Since i dont use corn and dont hunt over rice bran but feed it everyday i never thought much about this. bringing it up caused me to put together a few things. our camp is between a road and a lake. the woods are about 300yds. wide and about 1/2 mile long surrounded by fields. There isnt a stand within a mile and we have never hunted it. We have clover planted and alight and about 8 deer are in there most of every night. Our deer started ruttihg heavy last week. Not one deer has come into our field in the last 10days. How could hunting pressure have such a dramatic impact when these deer arent hunted? If you'll look at my photo u will see a deer bedded right before a bear shows up. i see a bear every few days and i'm sure they do to. i've never seen them run from a bear but they do keep a VISUAL on his evey move. therefore i believe its the rut that causes it and deer really need the food. they will return to daytime very soon and u will kill a big one. keep the faith. google crepuscular, it will help a lot.

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Posted December 29, 2010 at 7:15am
Thanks

huntr

Thanks,

Allot of good info was shared some Iíll keep, some Iíll discard because it goes against what I think Iíve learned about these Billy Goats over the last 40 plus years of chasing them.

All of it worth thinking about. I will be going on vacation starting Wednesday until Feb. 2nd

Most years I do finally catch-up with that big one around the 3rd or 4th week of January. Good luck to you all.

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Posted December 29, 2010 at 8:59am
ok

now huntr you are making sense to me. so whenever you see a buck with his nose down he is following her estrous scent or her regular scent or what? and it is because he lost her?

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Posted December 29, 2010 at 11:49am
Baiting

The DMAP biologist told my old club we were baiting too much, that the amount of food we had been providing above and beyond what deer are used to browsing could shift their movement patterns to mostly nightime. Now this wasn't a pile here and there, I'm talking about going from 20 spin feeders on 4000 acres circa 1996 to 60 spin feeders and at least 30 to 40--200 - 300 pound trough feeders by 1999.

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Posted December 29, 2010 at 12:30pm
Bait it up.

You can legally bait in Mississippi on private lands. And many, many people bait the public lands there too. We have 1200 acres and don't bait. The deer cross us to get to feeders on other leases. Deer are naturally nocturnal. There feeding and movement is based on solar and lunar actions,food sources/location, breeding and pressure. Simple.



Having said such, I sure as heck wanna hunt with hunt r and the rest of ya'll. 200 does and 50 bucks a day...LOL! I haven't seen a legal buck this season (standing).

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Posted December 29, 2010 at 1:54pm
Another Quote

'this alarms the doe she runs off in about a 50yd. circle(in thick brush), then he has to spend an hour trying to track her by scent in a thicket filled with scent. all the time she is watching and listening for him.'







I thought you said they find their mate by sight????? So why would he be tracking her by scent?? Do tell because inquiring minds want to know!!!

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Posted December 29, 2010 at 3:22pm
some folks....

seems like there's a pack style mentality on here of people wanting to bash Huntr ,,, seemingly only cuz they joining the popular stance some others are taking.



Please read with open minds, there's a lot to what the man has been saying, that the inquiring minds don't seem to pick up on.



also, opinions are just that...we all got our own , right ? I've seen in action a lot of what the man is attempting to enlighten us on. He seems to be very versed in the habits of the whitetail.



There are always some points that seem to get lost in translations. Not necessarily intentional, but it happens never the less.

R

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Posted December 29, 2010 at 3:32pm
Some Folks

I would guess that mean ME?? Well I am fairly well versed in whitetail habitat also. Ive hunted more than one state in my life and I can venture out to say that Ive seen alot of different things that deer do. Im no genius or professional but I can tell you that my story never changes because I dont 'create' things as I go along in life. I live it I learn it and I tell the SAME story each time. All I did was took HIS EXACT words from his replies and quoted what he said. Fact is he has you believing all of this stuff but there are at least 20 others that disagree. Why is that you ask?? Maybe because WE may actually have a lil bit of a clue about what we are saying. Are you saying that ALL of us are wrong and HE is right?? I mean come on man how can ALL of us be wrong??



Maybe we were all taught wrong and he was taught right but I do know one thing, deer find their mate by sight is the DUMBEST comment I have EVER heard in my entire life!!!!!

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Posted December 30, 2010 at 12:08pm
Had trouble finding this thread?!

What happened here?

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Posted December 30, 2010 at 6:36pm
ok

So do i Kenmax but those days are long gone. Little correction, we only killed 50 bucks in a whole season and 35 of those were first 3 days! so when we started the season it was a 10-1 ratio, by the time the rut came it was 25-1. We couldnt shoot does, even with a bow, so we saw lots of deer and killed a lot of young 6 and 8 but only about 5 nice ones each year. Needless to say, a lot of what 'everyone' knew back then was wrong! The deer that got away yesterday had 5 on his left and 9 on his right. My neighbor killed it yesterday. Saw one 6pt., 10am, 2 min. after i got in the stand. My wife and i suprised a nice wide buck standing in a dry ditch less than 100yds. from the gravel road at 3pm when we started in on bike. He was less than 25 yds. away in weeds and never moved until i pointed and slowed down. ok i admit there can be deer on my land i dont know about, i had dozens of pics of this non-typical last 3 yrs. and even found a pt. broken off last year but not one this year, i thought he died.

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Posted December 30, 2010 at 7:33pm
Stop Feeding

I agree with not feeding deer Role Dat. I haven't really hunted long, but I've been in the woods my whole life in Virginia where feed is illegal. I currently hunt on base and I can attest to feed not working effectively. Feeders are everywhere and all I used to see were night pics when I tried it out. I quit the feeding and moved deep in the woods and thickets. Now I see 3 deer or more every time on the stand yet my Marine buddies still feeding see nothing. Unfortunately I've been bow challenged and missed 3 since switching my tactic haha. To each his own and I don't want to insult anyone who effectively uses feed, but I'm going back to the basics because I flat out see more game without feed. When in doubt what would Tred Barta do haha?

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Posted December 31, 2010 at 7:20pm
hot doe

I was trying to remember when all this scent thing got started. 'Everyone' i know thinks a deer's nose is so good u cant fool it so just stay upwind, doesnt matter what u wear or if u smoke. Deer are very curious and will check most any new smell, esp. bucks and anything that smells like a deer. I've used vanilla flavoring for years and have many deer trail me to the stand, but they dont hang around when their eyes tell them different. Some of the oldtimers used 'buck lure' some didnt. When the trophy craze took off states like Illinoiing did not have gun hunting in the rut, so everybody wanted something that would bring bucks close for a bow. When bucks lose track of a doe they immediatly start looking for the scent of any deer. this could be the doe or a buck that will lead him to the doe. He begins 'coursing' thru the woods just like a good hound. When he busts a group of deer he takes off on a 'hot trail', then if its the wrong deer he returns to the spot and begins 'cold-trailing' another deer, as well as listening and looking for sign of chasing. Someone made the comment that they saw a buck on a 'hot trail' and someone else said it must be a 'hot doe', even tho that term is wrong. Therefore we end up today with people thinking bucks can tell when does are 'hot' or not by smell when in fact its the doe giving the buck a visual signal when she's ready.HAPPY NEW YEAR, Admiral.

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Posted December 31, 2010 at 7:32pm
?????

good stuff here and not sure i even have an opinion. i can't feed deer where i hunt but if i could i wouldn't. i think if u feed them u change their natural instincts thereby decreasing your chances during the day... as for how they pick out the hot doe i have no idea, but its an interesting thought to think its visual. if i had to guess i would think its a combination of the two

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Posted December 31, 2010 at 11:10pm
.

I read on here that someone said a buck will not chase a doe at night???? That is so wrong , while out looking for dogs earlyer this evening me and two others watched an 8 pt chase a doe around and around a cutover for over a 1/2 hour

didn't care that we was there or not(didn't see any night vision

or radar on his head like someone said they would need to chase a doe at night??!!!) just thought I would put this out there!

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Posted January 02, 2011 at 9:12pm
great

Thanks Role Dat, for helping me to have one of the best weeks hunting i've had in a long time. I been talking about hunting in the middle of the day for years, but seldom did. this last week has been phenomenal. About 20 racked bucks this week between 10am and 3pm. Today i got on my stand at 10am, picked up my horns and rattled. immediatly i heard a deer crash and saw one sneaking to me. spike came out 25yds. from upwind looking for it. he went up the road quartering into the wind and went into the palmettos. i rattled again and it was like i threw a hand grenade into that thicket, crashing like crazy. Out popped a doe and headed DOWNWIND across foodplot with small 8pt. hot on her tail, then a MONSTER buck jumped out 50yds. behind and flanking them upwind. Minute later what i thought was 10pt. but turned out large 6 came out next, flanking on the left. then about 5 min. later 'leftside' stepped out 50yds. and stopped. This deer is 41/2 yrs. old and never had much on his right side. last year he had 6 on his leftside, this year only 4. despite lots of pics, this is the first time i've ever seen him. chefron's son shot his first deer and went to help them, got back at 3 and saw another 6 and 8pt., still cannot get hardly ANY deer to eat ricebran, and bucks totaly ignoring it and hard to get few pics. found some huge running tracks after the rain and setup right there and apparently all these bucks are after the same doe.

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Posted January 04, 2011 at 10:51pm
almost got him

Man i got to thinking about deer listening for sounds of a chase so when i went to my stand at 3pm instead of sneaking in i rustled and raked a few palmetto leaves. five minutes after i got in my stand i heard what sounded like a rabbit coming. suddenly i saw horns. next thing i know my 14pt. non-typical is atanding 50 yds. away. before i could turn to my right in a ladder stand he walked off. he sneaked around trying to find the sound and i got his horns in my scope 5or6 times, but could not see his body. finaly he found my trail and spooked. no doubt in my mind he came looking for what he thought was a deer and he came in and left from upwind so he never smelled or saw me. if u get a chance, try this, it works. i've done it before accidently, this is the first time on purpose. last 3 days when i went to put out rice bran about noon deer were eating it 10min. later when i came back by. its chasing, not normal hunting pressure or feeding that make ALL deer go nocturnal.

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Posted January 07, 2011 at 1:09pm
deer

Well Huntr did you find the deer you shot at. The one that was bedded down?

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Posted January 13, 2011 at 7:15pm
Here we go again

huntr I have read a lot of your post and I agree with a lot of what you have to say but this whole thing about scent and bucks don't chase does night is just plan WRONG c'mon man !

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Posted January 13, 2011 at 9:19pm
Huntr

At first i really didnt agree completely with you but now i do. A few weeks ago while sitting on stand I had a 9 point walk out at the feeder(in front of me) and made his way back in the woods. Later i had a doe come out from a completely different area(behind me) she made her way to the feeder he was at earlier. A few minutes later that buck came out feeding at the end of the foodplot(you can not see the feeder from the end cause there is a hill). He was feeding again and when he finally SAW her he became interested. He tried to sneak around to get to her and she stuck around. She finally made a dash for the woods and he followed her. She was making signs with her tail. The only time the buck put his nose on the ground was after she ran he was trying to find her again.

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Posted January 15, 2011 at 8:23pm
Role Dat & Huntr

Role Dat, I believe the answer to your question is yes if you're looking to kill 'good' deer, if you're meat hunting than you should do ok with the bait. To me less is more when hunting bucks, less sound,less scent,less unnatural sights(big box stands & lights),less corn/bran piles in the woods. I usually walk to my stands, sometimes we use electric carts but they make too much noise sloshing through the mud for me so I will stop well short of my stands and walk. I don't use flash lights unless it's pitch black. You might try fertilizing any oak trees ,briar patches etc. around your stand sites. I prefer to hunt from loc ons and not hunt the same location every day. It doesn't take a buck many times of looking at box stands and smelling human scent to put 2&2 together and start avoiding those areas.

Huntr

I will agree with most of what you've said about the visual clues does give when in heat,but over my 30 yrs. of deer hunting I have heard/seen bucks chasing does in the WOODS at NIGHT several times, bucks can and most often do find their does by smell and they will run the hell out of them in the pitch dark using sight,scent&sound!! so I will have to respectly disagree. In 'my' 30 years of deer hunting I have never heard a BUCK ROAR or GRUNT SNORT WHEEZ but i'm not about to say it don't happen just because 'I' haven't seen or heard it.

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Posted January 15, 2011 at 9:57pm
????

So let me get this right your telling us that no matter how hungry a deer gets it will not eat during the day???? So the deer we see standing by a pile of bran with there head in it or

there head down in a nice green food plot in the middle of the day are not eating? Well dances with deer what are they doing???

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Posted January 15, 2011 at 11:35pm
Facts

Deer actually have two stomachs, are perfectly capable of feeding day or night, when they have the need. Cows have three stomachs. A buck knows a doe is ready by visual cues as well as her scent. It is 100% untrue to say deer do not chase in the dark. I have witnessed/heard deer chasing on my own property on several occasions. One such night I heard a buck chasing a doe on one of my power lines. They were very close to me, as I stood behind a tree. The buck came within 5' of me at one point, shortly after that he rubbed a small sapling that I checked out the following morning. I have witnessed them chasing in the pitch dark on many occasions, in Louisiana and Mississippi so I know what I'm speaking of



...JP

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Posted January 15, 2011 at 11:41pm
Facts

Thank you !!!

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Posted January 16, 2011 at 12:20pm
?

I would like to know where you get your facts at huntr, sounds like you need to do a little more research before you post, just because YOU belive what you say doesn't mean your right! Maybe you should look up fact and opinion in Webster , because you have your opinions mixed up with facts.

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Posted January 16, 2011 at 2:07pm
Facts

Show me one article that says a deer doesn't use scent to tell when a doe comes in season, and I have researched Dr. James.C.Krolls and I have yet to read anything that says they use sight only or that bucks only chase in open fields not woods at night. And a deer only has one stomach with four chambers from what I read.all I'm saying is show my the proof in what you say because I can't find it anywhere?

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Posted January 16, 2011 at 9:02pm
Common Sense

Ok, lets try this scenario....you have a male dog in your fenced yard and your neighbor that's 1/4 mile away has a female dog in heat in his fenced yard and you're down wind, now do any of you actually think that your male dog can't smell that bitch in heat? Hell most of us have had to go find our male dogs after they jumped or tunneled under the fence to get to her! Well it works the same with deer!!

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Posted January 18, 2011 at 5:58pm
I recon common sense is uncommon these days

Hunt r, are you a politician? if not you missed your calling! you've avoided the truth & facts and changed the subject better than EWE could have.

The TRUTH is yes that male dog can smell a female in heat and locate her as can a stud horse find a mare by smell and every mammal I can think of including DEER! THAT IS FACT!! Many animals also use visual cues and sound that is also fact.

To claim a buck can't locate a doe in heat using scent is INSANE! They use sight,scent & sound to locate does in heat!



I'm done!

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Posted January 18, 2011 at 9:45pm
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Why deer change color? Google it , body heat the reddish color helps to keep them cool in summer and the gray color helps them absorb and retain more heat in the winter and blend into there surroundings.

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Posted January 18, 2011 at 11:16pm
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I give up !!!! You are one hard headed man lol !

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James J Profile Photo
Posted January 18, 2011 at 11:43pm
Talking to brick wall

Reading through this forum, I could have told you A long time ago that arguing with a 'know it all' like huntr was a waste of time. He just wants to hear the toot of his own horn and pound his own chest. Honestly, it's probably best that he feels that he is right, if he was to actually get a clue, he might jump off a bridge from the 40 years of wasted 'research'

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Posted January 18, 2011 at 11:49pm
Brick wall

Lmao ! Its been fun tho !

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Posted January 19, 2011 at 8:37am
Crazy Uncle

I GIVE UP!! LOL

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Posted January 19, 2011 at 4:03pm
'da hunt's on...

Roll.dat, I feel alot like your original post; that as the season engages an the pressure is on from hunters and they (the deer) have an abundance of food available at every Drive-in [I mean feeder or plot], sure they switch to being mostly nocturnal, cuzz they don't want to get SHOT!



Guess that could even explain why bow hunters in early season have deer almost walking on them; but let the SHOOTIN'(bang..bang) begin and abbra kadabra (poof) their gone!



But more and better food must be a good thing cuzz we got more and more better deer every year. Just don't expect to kill'em by your supplemental feed after their spooked again for the season.



Huntr- has the age and experience thing behind most of his tale's and so does this Dr. Kroll guy; even though Dr. Kroll has written much and documented most of his findings, even with video!



Reading this (lo...ng) thread has help me learn some things as well as remember some things forgotten.



H...r, no one could possibly say you haven't tried to get your point across, even though it looks like most just want to shoot you down in flames!



oops...time to go get my nite.vision goggles on an see if I can find that 3 am'er...hehe



sw

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Posted February 11, 2011 at 8:49pm
figured it out

When i was wrighting all that events were fresh in my mind. Going back and reading it now it does sound like a crazy uncle. One good thing, i found u can google Dr. Deer. Reading his site i think i figured out why the further u go north the bigger the deer. Everyone knows young bucks disperse from their home range. Since the ones in south la. can only go north, this creates a ripple effect. La. deer go to missouri, illionios deer go to kansas and kansas deer go to CANADA!!! This process takes about 4 yrs. to complete so thats why so many bucks in canada are 51/2 and older.

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Bucks Only Profile Photo
Posted February 11, 2011 at 10:27pm
Serious Hunt r????

Something tells me this guy is serious!??!?!

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passthru69 Profile Photo
Posted February 12, 2011 at 8:03am
Serious???

hunt r is not only SERIOUS, he IS THE DEER WHISPERER!!!

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Slick_one30 Profile Photo
Posted February 12, 2011 at 8:05am
OMG

Here we go again!!!! Canada???????

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passthru69 Profile Photo
Posted February 12, 2011 at 8:07am
D B !!!

Slick, shouldn't you be working or something??? You gotta pay for all them kids??

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Slick_one30 Profile Photo
Posted February 12, 2011 at 8:20am
Working

I am working and now Im wondering!!! Im wondering if all that I have learned about deer hunting was wrong because I was taught that deer move but I never knew they traveled cross country!!!

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Posted February 13, 2011 at 4:47pm
Huntr

Put down the CRACK PIPE

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MEV
Posted February 14, 2011 at 10:04pm
I agree

I hunt on private property that borders one of the school board properties and for the third straight season we only killed one deer between four of us. We have some mediocre food plots and do use automatic feeders that have trail cameras on them. We got some good pictures of bucks and does only at night. I hunted box stands and also still hunted on the ground usually for four to five hours. Rotating days between early morning, midday & afternoon hunts. Warm weather, rainy, plenty of freezing cold days, it didn't matter. We started using feeders after the school board property was opened as a WLMA thinking we could draw the deer to us. Yes, now I do believe that we are hurting our chances because the corn is keeping the deer from having to move during the day to browse and feed. Now what about deer movement during the rut. We didn't see any rut activity until the last week of muzzleloader and into the following week when the season was closed. I'm retired so I spent many hours out there and heard less than five times when someone may have shot at a deer around the area. We have decided that next year we will plant only quality food plots and not use feeders. It can't get any worse. Other hunters around us that usually kill had the same story. I feel that for the northern part of Tangipahoa , the season needs to be pushed back at least a week with a split somewhere in the middle. We used to do very well but between the corn feeding and the rut later everything has changed.

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Posted February 14, 2011 at 10:39pm
Thank You MEV !!!

Finally, after 357 comments, someone answered the original question.(By the way, I think MEV got it right too).



We ARE/HAVE hurt our chances at success by feeding/baiting.



WE also will be doing a food plot only season for the upcoming year.



P.S. Did everyone notice how hunt r is now contradicting Dr. Kroll, who was supposed to be proving everything he was saying to start with???



That dude (hunt r)is definitely missing the 'REED OUT OF HIS GRUNT CALL', if you know what I mean???????

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Role Dat Action Profile Photo
Posted February 15, 2011 at 4:29pm
Made a decision

After reading all the comments which there were some good ones, I have decide that at least in my club the deer donít nearly move as much during the day, with all the high protein feed we have available for them to eat. We all know if a deer has a choice on when it will feed it will be when if feels most secure and that will be at night. And if it can fill up on all this food at night why move during the day.

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Bucks Only Profile Photo
Posted February 15, 2011 at 6:21pm
Passthr69

LMAO @ Passthru69!!! I'm with you dude... This dude is rattlin with only 1 horn!!!! I dont know why he even asks questions... He knows everything already!!! Half the deer that were born on his place in the early 90's have been killed in Saskatchewan or Manitoba as 6 yr olds!!!

On a serious note, I dont think that corn/bran ls your chances of seeing deer... I believe if a deer wants to fill up at night, it will, whether it is on browse, acorn, corn/bran or anything else!! Let's face it, they know where the piles of corn are just as well as evrey acorn tree, or favorite browse there is out there!! This is just my opinion of course!!!

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Posted February 15, 2011 at 6:26pm
decision

Hey Role Dat, whats ur decision, feed or not? Passthru, any good teacher will tell u they want their students to think for themselves and take their ideas to new levels. Good students shouldnt just believe everything their teachers says, no matter how much u respect them. I'm sure Dr. Deer would tell u he doesnt know it all. Mev, if u couldnt 'draw' deer off of others land with feed, how do u intend to do it without feed? My conclusion when my neighbors arent seeing or killing anything while we see many deer and about 2 bucks each day is they dont have many deer, not that feeding too much does it. I feed everyday just like them, (except i NEVER use corn) and see plenty of deer on cam and on stand while they hardly ever see a deer, much less kill one.

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MEV
Posted February 15, 2011 at 10:06pm
huntr-read my post again

You must have missed the part in my post that stated we had plenty of good pictures at night only of bucks and does. The corn was drawing the deer to us but only at night. No one on private land close to us is using corn. When the gun season opens the deer seem to go nocturnal and with corn to keep them fat and happy they have no reason to move during the day. We killed plenty of deer before we started using corn. Personally I feel Louisiana should follow Mississippi's leade and outlaw feeding, which would put everyone on the same playing field. Of course the local feed stores and corn farmers don't agree.

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hunt r Profile Photo
Posted April 13, 2011 at 5:43am
40 yrs wasted

James J, i've given a lot of thought to ur comments. I will let my pics and the fact that i paid $450 an acre for my property in '95 and i just turned down a written offer of $2,850 per acre. Seems like some people believe it was worthwhile. lol Mev, miss. does not ban feeding or baiting of deer, just hunting over it. So what ur saying is u want to ban feeding and then have wardens roaming thru ur property any time they feel like looking for bait?

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